you make some good points that we need more resources dedicated to finding/ killing Bin Laden (whichever is easier) but thats a pretty bold statement. I'm not saying you are wrong but IMHO both those guys are just as capable of bungling the hunt for Bin Laden as GWB. Maybe McCain might have got him

 

First you are correct, we do not know for sure where OBL is, however sources “believe” he is most likely on the Pakistan border in Pakistan. Now, you made my point when I ask how can you ask “why has Bush not finished the job” You can’t have it both ways like Kerry. In order for Bush to finish the job he would most likely have to invade Pakistan to do it, so again, are you for that or not?

Iraq for no good reason? Where have you been the last 10 plus years? Iraq is terrorist central and the Home Depot of WMD’s for terrorist as well as training camps. Iraq is centrally located so “hopefully” if things work out and the Iraq people want to live in a type of democratic society it can “hopefully” spread through out the region, or course we are talking decades but you have to start somewhere.

No one knew for sure if we would ever make it to the moon, but after trial and error we made it.

What America had been doing the past 20 – 30 years (republican and democrat Presidents alike) was not working, it was getting us no where so time for a change and that is what we got with President Bush. If Kerry becomes President we will go right back to the same mistakes made for the 20 – 30 years I refer to, including Clinton’s weak attempts to “get along” with terrorist and wish them away.

You see to defeat terrorism you have to defeat the hate that is breed by people who are repressed. The vast majority of Muslims countries are repressive, they hold their people down with iron fist like in communist societies. In order to keep control of these repressed people their dictators have to feed them lies about the reason they are in a terrible situation. They teach that it is Western society, lead by America, which is at fault and the reason for their situation. These people have NO hope, and no future and when people have no hope and no future they become bitter and hateful, kind of like liberals today.

Anyway, the way to get to these people is to free them, like in Iraq, so they can really see what the world is about, so they can see there is hope and there is a bright future ahead of them. This is one of the reasons we are in Iraq, to free a society that has been repressed for decades. Free people are creative people, they are opportunist, and when you put freedom, creativity and opportunity together you have people that have great hope for a bright future, like President Reagan did in the 80’s and the reason we had a 20 plus year economic boom.

Some goofball liberals try to make this about oil and that we are stealing and taking advantage of Muslim counties for our own personal reason when that is absolute BS. Sure we import their oil and pay big money for it. That money can feed a booming economy if their society is free. The problem most liberals make is they don’t really ever understand human beings. I think they do but just take advantage of them. Anyhow liberals contend that government can take care of its people. In reality and anyone that has a brain that actual functions on logic knows a government can NEVER ever take care of its people, it can only “guide” its people. It’s typically socialist liberals that think in this haze, which is most liberals, they don’t understand the truth, they have missed every fact that has been presented to them. They see many of the communist and socialist countries fail but yet they continue to think a government can take care of its people when it can never nor will it ever be possible.

These are the ones having a very hard time understanding what we are doing in Iraq, these are the ones having a very hard time with the BIG picture, that can not focus their vision past a month or so. If Iraq is successful they will still deny it and be in a daze, but reality marches on…


The Spin Zone speed limit is 65mph max, you are currently doing like mach 1. Back the truck up my friend because you are going the wrong direction. I never said anything about it being ok to nuke anybody and was trying to figure out how you would solve the problem of finding and killing OBL. You liberals talk the talk but never have any solutions or possible solutions to offer that have any reason.

How many troops do you want to waste looking for one man? You want to take everybody out of Iraq to find him? I personally do not find him to be important. Yes he needs to be found and brutally killed, but not hunted down because there are to many other important things to tend to instead of wasting money and resources looking for someone that is really not that important anymore. He is a dead man walking, one day and the right time someone will see him and brutally kill him…

No, Bush did not lose focus, he is looking at the BIG picture, something liberals are incapable of doing. Bush is thinking LONG term, not short term like liberals, in other words he is handling this like an adult and not some hyper kid on sugar who wants something one minute and then something completely different the next minute like Kerry…

I have made no excuses but rather give my insight into the situation. I agree that President Bush should have never stated “Mission accomplished” even though it was in the right term. He was talking about the major assault to take over the current regime and get rid of them. We accomplished that and the mission, that part of the mission was complete.

However, since most Americans only have very short attention spans President Bush should have never stated that since most Americans would have took it to mean we are “completely” done. So I am in agreement with you that I think it was a big mistake, a little one albeit in the BIG picture because that is how I look at things, but a HUGE mistake for people like you that tend to look at things short term, in the terms of weeks and months which is completely illogical but what can one do…

So, please, please slow it down when you enter the Spin Zone and maintain a speed no faster then 65mph. I will remain parked as I always am because I don’t believe in spin but rather being truthful and stating my opinion. I will continue to be fair and balanced…

 

Now that is very funny…

Here is why, both Kerry and Gore completely agreed that Saddam had WMD’s, there was no “thought he had” to it…

Kerry has also stated he would have done the SAME thing as President Bush in invading Iraq, so in all honesty I find it highly unlikely that either of them would have had OBL by now…

 

That's true; but, would it be Osama Bin Laden, or some right wing extremist that escaped from Waco, TX or Ruby Ridge? Seems to me that during Clinton's time in office, all he did was fire a few missiles at empty terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and blow up ibuprofen factory's, while trying to ferret out all the evil right-wing extremists here in this country. Funny that these people weren't much more than an embarrassment before Clinton took office; but, became job one for the FBI and ATF once he became President. I wonder how much different Gore or Kerry would be? I don't think the people labeled as "militia groups" were ever a very big deal.

After the attack on the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, I don't doubt that the Clinton administration was looking for anybody to blame, but the people they left unmolested after the first attempt to take down the World Trade Center.


There are people that have been tracing links to Iraq, from the Oklahoma City bombings. I know that the first suspects were of Arab decent. I don't know how much credence to give these stories; but, they seem to be coming from some reputable sources. It's something to keep an eye on.


Check out the links on this page... http://www.glennbeck.com/okc/


No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just found this all kind of interesting.

 

Finding Osama is like trying to look for a needle in a stack of needles. That's just like trying to find the WMD's in Iraq.

Have we found any? No.
Does that mean he didn't have them? No.

I'm sure you guys saw that picture of a MiG-25 Foxbat that our troops found under a sand dune in Iraq last year, right? Who knew…?

They say California is roughly the size of Iraq. As big as California is, I bet you I could hide 100 F-150's, with a 20 megaton warhead in each tailgate, in a corner of California, underground, and it'd take you years to find it, if you ever found it. Especially when you give me a 30 - 90 day head-start. I might even hide them in Texas, to make sure you didn't find them within the borders of California (Since, that's the only area you can really look). See what I mean?? Saddam may have been land-locked, but he wasn't stupid. Those weapons could be in Syria, Turkey or Iran for all we know. They could be in some village in Iraq, under 50 feet off dirt that looks like a baseball field now.

Do I buy everything George has said? No, absolutely not.
Do I think he had an agenda against Iraq coming into office? Yes, I do.
Am I happy about the lives we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan? No; but- at least we have Saddam, and if he's truly alive, and those tapes aren't fabricated- we'll get Bin Laden one day.

I'm not going to get into all the political rhetoric about what Bush wouldda/shouldda, and what Gore or Kerry wouldda/couldda. It’s hard to make a decision, and accurate decision- because you don’t have all the pieces. It’s like trying to put a puzzle together, but you don’t know what the picture is supposed to look like. Several pieces look like they fit, but do they truly belong where they’re put?

I'll just say this- I think, based on the speech President Bush gave before invading Iraq- was enough grounds to do it. UN weapons inspectors had (initially) suspected Iraq of WMD, then Iraq kicked them out, so we couldn't confirm. Iraq doesn’t need a Soviet built SS-20 ICBM to blow up a city; all it takes is one 80lb suitcase nuke (Sometimes referred to as demolition bombs) to level most of NYC. Did you know that at the fall of the Soviet Union 88 of them were "unaccounted for"? Who knows where they are, and who's bartering for them? For all we know, there could be one in a manhole in every major US city already. I don’t remember the yield they said but just think about what happened to Hiroshima & Nagasaki, with 10Kt & 13Kt bombs…. Those were babies compared to what we have now. In fact, they are the trigger for our Hydrogen bombs (thermonuclear devices).

I’m not trying to scare anyone- it is what it is. This is the world we live in; so we must take steps to defend ourselves. I’m not happy about the fact that there will be a mark on the US Legacy of this being the first time we’ve ever invaded a country without first being attacked, coming to the rescue of another country, or having war declared on us first. I don’t like it, but like Mr. Bush said, in so many words: 'You don't want the evidence that Saddam and/or terrorists are in possession of nuclear bombs, to be evidenced by a mushroom cloud over New York.' You know something- he's right.

As horrible as 9/11 was, a nuclear event would be far worse. Thousands upon thousands dead, instantly. Thousand more in the weeks to follow from radiation poisoning, etc..

I would not want that scar on my Presidency or country from not taking proactive measures to prevent it~ I just hope our intelligence was sound, and not as bad as it's being made to look now- since no WMD have been found.

When I mentioned using nukes on the tunnels in Afghanistan, I didn’t mean lighting up the countryside, I meant in the hole/cave- in the mountains, underground. You know, the kind of testing that went on in the US for years after the above-ground test at the Trinity test site in New Mexico in 1945 was halted. That would contain the blast, and effect only the ones it was meant for. I never said lets light up the country-side.

I was thinking set one or two off, and blame it on them- saying “We don’t know; we suspect they were testing a crude device(s) and it went off!”

Do not look at the flash! (Tom Arnold, True Lies, 1994)

 

After reading that I say cia-agent for president!

 

So why is it ok for Iran to build a Nuke like they're doing right now yet we do nothing.. Or North Korea? Or Pakistan? There's no terrorists in Pakistan? Iraq was in the stone age when it comes to nukes. North Korea has Chemical weapons and are testing them on prisoners in their death camps as we speak AND selling missiles capable of deploying these weapons to other Dictators around the world. Something's not adding up here...

Sounds like there are a LOT of other countries Ahead of Iraq on the list of countries that actually Threaten America and are violating UN sanctions. Do you even think about that???????

 

I think we should've pimp slapped every country that even though about developing nukes. I kinda agree with Patton when he said we should've kicked Russia's butt while we already had the men & equipment in place in Europe to do it; he suspected they would be our next enemy- he was right.

Had we done that, there's a good chance there would have been no reason for the Korean War or the Vietnam Conflict (Both of whom were equipped & trained with Soviet equipment and by Soviet advisors; in some cases, Soviet pilots even flew sorties against us, especially in Korea.)

How many thousands of lives did we lose in those two subsequent wars? How many other countries did Communism spread to? How many other little countries developed nukes because they had a curtain of protection from Russia?

That's why we didn't "Win" the Vietnam war. It wasn't due to body count- We killed nearly 1 million Vietnamese soldiers, compared to 58,000 US soldiers. We could've had their butts whipped in the first 90-days of war, had we not limited ourselves to certain targets. Ships were coming in with Soviet & Chinese equipment to North Korea, and we didn't bomb the ports... Why? Because we didn't want Russia & China to get in the mix.. If we'd listened to GEN George S. Patton, none of that would have happened; at last- not the way it happened.

Now look, France has nukes, Pakistan has nukes, India has nukes, China has nukes, Isreal has nukes (I think we gave Isreal a nuke or 20) all the sub countries formerly a part of the USSR, now have nukes in them (Although they are supposedly still under Russian control). We should have NEVER let that happen.

Yes, we should stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons. I think we should "B-52, B-1, B-2, F-117" the hell out of North Korea and Iran (If they don't get off the pot) while they're still in the developmental stage.

I even have a name for it. Let's call it- Operation Linebacker III

If you don't know why I said Linebacker III, look up Operation Linebacker & Linebacker II on the internet.