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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 02:06 PM
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Minimum wage is not worth arguing about. If someone has not got themselves out of a minimum wage job by around the age of 21 or so they haven’t tried to hard and for that they do NOT deserve to be rewarded for their own stupidity or laziness.

I get so tired of hearing people whine about minimum wage. People do NOT have to go to college and have a degree to earn good money. All they need is to graduate high school and apply themselves, if they do that they are guaranteed to earn more then minimum wage.

To those that refuse to apply themselves to get out of minimum wage I say, so sad to bad here is a tissue to wipe your tears away…

Does it suck for the children of these idiots that can’t earn more then minimum wage? Yes it does, so what?????

It is not my problem but the parents problem and a lot has to do with the liberal philosophy of everyone should be able to do what ever they want and have NO responsibility. It is the parent’s responsibility if they can NOT provide for their children. Perhaps we need a stupidity law for morons that have children while still earning minimum wage.

I am NOT paying for someone else’s children because the children have ignorant parents. I have my own child of which I do just fine taking care of if I can do it EVERYONE can do it.

Those who don’t think they can do it should NOT be allowed to procreate. These parents with children who are only earning minimum wage made that choice on their OWN and the liberals completely back them on it because that is the liberal slogan, “freedom of choice” so those that don’t like minimum wage should talk to the liberals and have some money taken out of all the liberals pay checks hell they don’t mind funding stupidity it’s the backbone of their liberal organizations. One of the liberal slogans is ”Stupidity begins and ends with us”…

So, just to be clear:

Minimum wage affects ONLY three types of people

1. Kids getting a first job while in high school.
2. Stupid and/or lazy adults to ignorant to apply themselves.
3. Retired people looking for some extra cash and/or something to do so not to get bored at home.

No need to raise any of the above peoples wages…
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Minimum wage is not worth arguing about. If someone has not got themselves out of a minimum wage job by around the age of 21 or so they haven’t tried to hard and for that they do NOT deserve to be rewarded for their own stupidity or laziness.

I get so tired of hearing people whine about minimum wage. People do NOT have to go to college and have a degree to earn good money. All they need is to graduate high school and apply themselves, if they do that they are guaranteed to earn more then minimum wage.

To those that refuse to apply themselves to get out of minimum wage I say, so sad to bad here is a tissue to wipe your tears away…

Does it suck for the children of these idiots that can’t earn more then minimum wage? Yes it does, so what?????

It is not my problem but the parents problem and a lot has to do with the liberal philosophy of everyone should be able to do what ever they want and have NO responsibility. It is the parent’s responsibility if they can NOT provide for their children. Perhaps we need a stupidity law for morons that have children while still earning minimum wage.

I am NOT paying for someone else’s children because the children have ignorant parents. I have my own child of which I do just fine taking care of if I can do it EVERYONE can do it.

Those who don’t think they can do it should NOT be allowed to procreate. These parents with children who are only earning minimum wage made that choice on their OWN and the liberals completely back them on it because that is the liberal slogan, “freedom of choice” so those that don’t like minimum wage should talk to the liberals and have some money taken out of all the liberals pay checks hell they don’t mind funding stupidity it’s the backbone of their liberal organizations. One of the liberal slogans is ”Stupidity begins and ends with us”…

So, just to be clear:

Minimum wage affects ONLY three types of people

1. Kids getting a first job while in high school.
2. Stupid and/or lazy adults to ignorant to apply themselves.
3. Retired people looking for some extra cash and/or something to do so not to get bored at home.

No need to raise any of the above peoples wages…
Damn Burt, I agree again! To add to what you've said, if the minimum wage was say $20/hour, what would be the inspiration to do better?
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 04:27 PM
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Damn Burt, I agree again! To add to what you've said, if the minimum wage was say $20/hour, what would be the inspiration to do better?

What about the guy who's been making 20 dollars an hour laying brick or shingles in the hot sun for years. Do you think he's going to continue to do his job for that pay when there's an easier one that pays the same. How about truck drivers? How about entry level IT people? No, they are now going to have to be paid more as well. Now doctors and lawyers see truck drivers and pharmacists making the same wage that they are. What do you think is going to happen then? The dollar will be worth less. Worthless.



I agree with you, momalle. There is hope for you yet.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Odin's Wrath
What about the guy who's been making 20 dollars an hour laying brick or shingles in the hot sun for years. Do you think he's going to continue to do his job for that pay when there's an easier one that pays the same. How about truck drivers? How about entry level IT people? No, they are now going to have to be paid more as well. Now doctors and lawyers see truck drivers and pharmacists making the same wage that they are. What do you think is going to happen then? The dollar will be worth less. Worthless.



I agree with you, momalle. There is hope for you yet.
Gee, thanks, I think

Outsourcing low paying jobs figures into this also. It worked well in the 80's, but there is a limit. A healthy economy needs jobs of all ranges. It goes right along with what you said, if the lowest paying job in America is $25/hr, those will be the poor people!

Don't mistake my dislike for GW as being against everything you would be for, I just don't like GW.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 06:57 PM
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The Confederate States of America was a legitimate country. The States had the right to secede from the Union. Of course the Northern sates didn't want to let them go. The South lost the ensuing misnamed "Civil" War; so, it was once more a part of the United States. This is of course an arguable point depending on ones perspective. I have no gripe about how things turned out; but, I do resent, to some degree, the half sided history that is taught on the subject. The winner writes the History.
This is a stretch, don't you think?

FDR was an Isolationist during WWII as well. Had we entered that war in support of our allies sooner, a lot of grief could have been saved the European and North African people. Maybe we would have better relations with them now as well. Who knows? Hindsight is 20/20; and, speculation is easy, when you'll never know what would have happened if things were done differently.
"FDR confronted the isolationist leadership of the Republican Party directly, and by name. At the same time, he acknowledged Republicans like Henry Stimson (who attended the FPA dinner with him) who understood the bipartisan necessity in planning the United Nations organization. “Peace, like war,” the President said, “can succeed only where there is a will to enforce it, and where there is available power to enforce it…”

The isolationists were actually a hinderence to FDR, as he did want to engage in the euro activities and nip it in the bud.


Germany. In 1924 Germany's international obligations total $132 billion gold marks. French troops occupy the Ruhr after German default in 1923, when Germans practice "passive resistance." Coolidge’s policies lead to the Dawes Plan—the U.S. will loan Germany money and help them reorganize their finances. In 1929 further problems arise and the young Plan follows, which reduces German debts and sets up an international bank for collection. By the 1930s with the world depression affecting everyone, all debts are eventually defaulted or cancelled.

The bolded sentances is where Prescott Bush helped finance the ****'s with one of his investment banking groups.
He also sold them materials, technology and eventually munitions.
In 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government seized several companies in which Prtescott had an interest. Prescott at the time was an investment banker with Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), which had funneled U.S. capital into Germany during the 1920s and '30s. Among the seized companies was the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York, which was controlled by German industrialist Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financier of the **** party--in fact, in 1941 he published a book entitled I Paid Hitler.
 

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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 07:37 PM
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This is a stretch, don't you think?

Like I was making toffee. I had to write something though.

It's not a falsehood though. He acted in what he thought was the greater interest of the Union. He did everything he could to keep the South and the North together during the war. Some of it very unpopular even in the North. If not for an intercepted dispatch, that gave away a very critical bit of info to the North, the more poorly equipped South was well on it's way to winning the war. It was not a cakewalk by any means; and, the North was brutal in their victories. The South lost and that was the end of it. More or less. Things turned out fine in the long run; since many wrongs were forced to be made right. The abolishment of slavery being just one of them. It wasn't the reason for the war; but, the greatest accomplishment to come from it.


Originally posted by loudist


"FDR confronted the isolationist leadership of the Republican Party directly, and by name. At the same time, he acknowledged Republicans like Henry Stimson (who attended the FPA dinner with him) who understood the bipartisan necessity in planning the United Nations organization. “Peace, like war,” the President said, “can succeed only where there is a will to enforce it, and where there is available power to enforce it…”

The isolationists were actually a hinderence to FDR.

FDR changed his tune in his third term. A lot of what he did in the first two terms that made him so popular, came back to bite him later. He promised that our boys would not go over there.


Here's an interesting article by Pat Buchanon. I know he's a rightwinger; but, he's notoriously fair in his criticism of both the right and the left. He hasn't had much good to say about the war in Iraq either.

http://www.buchanan.org/pa-97-0516.html

Just remember how popular FDR is to the left and that his stance on the war was not lied about directly; but, by omission.


Throughout half of Roosevelt’s presidential term, he kept the U.S. out of the war by practicing a policy of isolationism. Roosevelt passed the Good Neighbor Policy that stated the U.S. would not attack or interfere with Latin America. In 1935, Congress pressured FDR into signing the Neutrality Act, which declared that America couldn’t send any soldiers or supplies to help out any foreign powers that were at war. Then, in 1937, the United States made a policy that no American goods could be sent to Spain to fight rebels supported by Germany and Italy, even though Spain was not even at war. The nation felt so strongly about being kept out of the war that, a campaign to "Keep America Out of War" was proposed to get twenty-five million signatures. The reason the nation felt this way was because "there were already enough mouths to feed." Roosevelt also felt strongly that the United States should keep out of the war. In a speech, Roosevelt states, "I hate war. I have passed unnumbered hours, I shall pass unnumbered hours, thinking and planning how war may be kept from this nation."
Here's the whole article... It's not a blast of FDR.


http://student.bvsd.k12.co.us/school...ories/fdr.html
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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Like I was making toffee. I had to write something though.
LOL! You're killing me here, I'm dying!

wait a minute...... thats exactly what he's trying to do......
those shrubbies are crafty they are....

But its still funny!


Buchanan... you gotta love his no bull**** take on politics and history. Not bad for an ex speech writer for Nixon.
Shrub aspires to be as brutally straightforward as Pat.
I doubt he'll ever get there.
 

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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:38 AM
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Odin,
No part of the portion of my post you chose to quote and aim your response at had anything to do with numbers. If I am "reading more into your reply than you think was there", it's because of the way you chose to quote a portion of my post and respond to that portion.

I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and as a matter of fact I DO care about ALL of our children dying in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN!
 
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by serotta
Sorry to jump into this late.......

No, I didn't read every single post in this thread......

Yes, I think I've got the general drift of it.....

A WISE piece of WISDOM that I can share would be to peruse the other forums here at F150Online before jumping head first into the political discussions. Earn your stripes, then exercise your authority. You will gain more respect whether you want it or not. Not taking sides mind you, just voicing an opinion from one whose been here for a few years.

note: Aof2M, accusing FM66 of not reading all the posts is a big mistake that you wouldn't have made if you'd been around here awhile. He reads everything!
Oh, and one other thing, don't accuse people of mis-reading what you didn't state clearly. A zero (0) post count doesn't carry much respect initially. Go back to what this board does well, service the f-150 population with a great message board for truck ills and superlatives. Well read and intelligent are not synonyms


edit: darn old fool can't spell, corrected the one I saw!

This is rather humorous… Aof2M, accusing FM66 of not reading all the posts is a big mistake that you wouldn't have made if you'd been around here awhile

But in all fairness, you simply did not know. You see, I have been around here for a while. For about a year, I’ve been looking at this site under my bf’s name “justusinfla”. I’m part of that “us”. If you had read all the posts, you would know at least that much.
I will not, however, post my opinions, thoughts or beliefs under that name.

My favorite section here at F150? The Off Roading section, although I do enjoy exploring the Other F-Series Trucks section as that interests me. Those are the sections I mostly read and look at photos of proud owner’s trucks, mudded up after a bit of bogging or showroom sparkling clean. I do recognize several names here including yours and have read some of your posts as well as others. I have never submitted a post because, honestly, I just don’t know that much about vehicles. I happened upon General Discussion and felt like presenting another side. It’s just another side and it appears to me that it is extremely difficult for the majority of the people, at least in this section, to hear or consider another side.


You will gain more respect whether you want it or not.
Earn your stripes, then exercise your authority. A zero (0) post count doesn't carry much respect initially.

It also seems to be the “zero (0) post count” that you’re having a problem with. I am neither submitting posts as an effort to acquire respect nor am I trying to earn stripes or exercise an authority.
But tell me, if I were interested in any of that, how many posts would I need? Is there some magic number?
Because I’ve chose to read and not submit a post, I am not allowed to start in General Discussion regarding political issues? I didn’t know this rule.
Even if I had never been here before, you base the value of what someone writes, and whether they can have your respect on how many posts they have that show up in small writing beneath their name? You cannot be serious.


Go back to what this board does well, service the f-150 population with a great message board for truck ills and superlatives.

I don’t have much knowledge on the working of vehicles. However, my brother has been a mechanic (he prefers automotive technician), for twenty-seven years and I can point some things out, like the radiator, serpentine belt, fluid levels, distributor cap and wires, spark plugs, battery, etc., and I know where the tranny is and where to put the fuel in.
Besides, the other half of “us” takes care of our rare vehicle woes. He’s so good at it in fact that I don’t have to worry about such things. An ability he confesses is, in part, from the information he obtains here on this site.
It’s not plain to me who here are men and who are women. I can guess with some names, but not all. But realistically, how many females are out there that have a higher knowledge of vehicles besides just your basic “stuff”. I know they’re out there, but not to the degree men are.

I don’t have an F-150, my bf does. I just recently purchased a 2000 Explorer Sport to replace my aging 86 Bronco II. Unfortunately I have to go elsewhere on-line for info regarding my truck…“the #1 best selling SUV 10 years running”…well, that’s what the TV says anyway.

I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and as a matter of fact I DO care about ALL of our children dying in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN!
 
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 11:59 PM
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I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and I blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.........................


BTW, justusinfla, I feel sorry for you. Wait, no I don't, you're a pansy.
 

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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 08:05 AM
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Ao2M,

I just made some suggestions, as per most suggestions, it is your right to ignore them!

A might defensive eh?
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by screwyou
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and I blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.........................


BTW, justusinfla, I feel sorry for you. Wait, no I don't, you're a pansy.
Apparently you don't like that many words in a row, it makes your head hurt.

I now see why you are so enamored by shrub... you guys are alike, you both share the same Indian name:
Dumb as stick.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 07:22 PM
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Apparently you don't like that many words in a row, it makes your head hurt.

I now see why you are so enamored by shrub... you guys are alike, you both share the same Indian name:
Dumb as stick.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 08:08 PM
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... you're a pansy.
And shrub is still the most dangerous man in America.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by screwyou
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and I blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.........................


BTW, justusinfla, I feel sorry for you. Wait, no I don't, you're a pansy.
*yawn*

I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and as a matter of fact I DO care about ALL of our children dying in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN!
 
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