quote:The Commission for Conventional Armaments resolves to advise the Security Council:

1. that it considers that all armaments and armed forces, except atomic weapons and weapons of mass destruction, fall within its jurisdiction and that weapons of mass destruction should be defined to include atomic explosive weapons, radio active material weapons, lethal chemical and biological weapons, and any weapons developed in the future which have characteristics comparable in destructive effect to those of the atomic bomb or other weapons mentioned above.



That description would seem to include D.U. shells, napalm, agent orange, air fuel bombs, and nukes. All of which the US government has in it's arsenal and all of which it has used on the battlfield. Some of it has been used in Iraq in two conflicts. I'll include cluster bombs in there too, as the UN considers them to be banned weapons.

 

Don't forget landmines.

-Don

 

I didn't. They aren't quite as devastating as cluster bombs so I didn't include them.

 

That is not an adequate definition. An adequate definition of WMD’s would be:

A weapon that produces death and/OR destruction on a massive scale.

A chemical such as blister gas CAN and WOULD cause mass casualties (death) depending on where it was exploded. Don’t even tell me if one were to explode one of them silly blister gas shells in the middle of New York City it would NOT cause mass casualties and death.

Sorry but those shells ARE in FACT WMD’s and it is not even a debatable issue…

Granted it is not a lot but that does not matter there is a lot more somewhere in the Middle East and as I said it is besides the point if we find them or not. Would be nice to find them but the FACT of the matter is Saddam had them, admitted to it and refused to do what he AGREED to do and thus got a major *** whooping in the process. A lesson for the rest of the world…

 

01: You haven't responded to my last few posts ( excluding my conversation with Raoul). I'd go so far as to say you've avoided them.
Why is that??

 

They were mortar shells for gods sake. They weren't even remotely current shells:

"Most were wrapped in plastic bags, and some were leaking," Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told a news conference, adding that it was likely the weapons were left over from the Iran-Iraq war.

-Don

 

Either way they are WMD's and there is no disputing that fact...

It has either been you or arrbilly or both who have been saying over and over "There is no WMD's in Iraq because we haven't found them" Well, now we have found some and there is a LOT more where those came from...

 

Sorry about that but no I haven’t been avoiding them on purpose. It seems you and sirket are basically singing the same song and written basically the same type of post so I figured when I answer one of you it actually answers both.

You last post has me a bit confused. Something to do with America having WMD’s. My response would be ”so what?” We, the United States have NEVER used them to start a conflict EVER. We are extremely responsible with their use.

As far as cluster bombs those are the one of the best inventions yet for taking out a massive amount of combatants. That is what war is about while you’re fighting. It is to KILL as many as those fighting against you as possible.

It serves a few purposes. First it eliminates a chit load of those actually trying to kill you, it thins out the other opponent’s forces hopefully to a point they can put up no more resistance, it demoralizes those fighting against you since they see all their buddies getting blown away and it helps to win PEACE.

That is the name of the game PEACE and you ONLY get that by having power and the weapons to back it up.

It is not America going around trying to kill innocent people, women and children so all others will do as we do. It is not America trying to take away other peoples way of life, it is terrorist doing that therefore until they, the terrorist realize they are not going to get their way then I hope to see many more cluster bombs fall their way to KILL as many as possible. Sooner or later they will get the idea, well at least those that are left…

 

Probably about as much damage as a cluster bomb going off in the same space. Not quite as gory though.

 

The goal is to wound as many as possible, not to kill them. Killing them takes them out of the battle. Wounding them ties up resources while rescue attempts are made and it ties up money for doctors and medication to treat the injuries.

XLT,

The world believes that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Should we invade?

-Don

 

Question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two
small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a .357 Magnum and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack? Could we run away? What does my
wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Conservative Answer:

Shoot the son of a gun! Then take your family to a baseball game, eat some hot dogs with apple pie, sing the national anthem, go to church and praise the Lord for one more day of freedom.

 

that is some of the most twisted, convoluted, so-called logic I have ever read. Better layoff the beer for awhile.
WMD's are WMD's no matter whether thay are used to start a fight or end it. It is still illegal to use them no matter if you are the US or Iraq or Russia or whoever.
Cluster bombs are on the UN list of banned weapons because of their indiscriminate carnage. They kill or maim everything in their path as many Iraqi civilians will tell you. Or would tell you if they were still alive. In one well reported incident, cluster bombs practically wiped out an entire Iraqi village that was nowhere near any fighting. Just like landmines thto a point they can put up no more resistance, it demoralizes those fighting against you since they see all their buddies getting blown away and it helps to win PEACE.

That is the name of the game PEACE and you ONLY get that by having power and the weapons to back it up.

It is not America going around trying to kill innocent people, women and children so all others will do as we do. It is not America trying to take away other peoples way of life, it is terrorist doing that therefore until they, the terrorist realize they are not going to get their way then I hope to see many more cluster bombs fall their way to KILL as many as possible. Sooner or later they will get the idea, well at least those that are left… [/B][/QUOTE]

that is some of the most twisted, convoluted, so-called logic I have ever read. Better layoff the beer for awhile.
WMD's are WMD's no matter whether thay are used to start a fight or end it. It is still illegal to use them no matter if you are the US or Iraq or Russia or whoever.
Cluster bombs are on the UN list of banned weapons because of their indiscriminate carnage. They kill or maim everything in their path as many Iraqi civilians will tell you. Or would tell you if they were still alive. In one well reported incident, cluster bombs practically wiped out an entire Iraqi village that was nowhere near any fighting. Just like landmines theyt they can put up no more resistance, it demoralizes those fighting against you since they see all their buddies getting blown away and it helps to win PEACE.

That is the name of the game PEACE and you ONLY get that by having power and the weapons to back it up.

It is not America going around trying to kill innocent people, women and children so all others will do as we do. It is not America trying to take away other peoples way of life, it is terrorist doing that therefore until they, the terrorist realize they are not going to get their way then I hope to see many more cluster bombs fall their way to KILL as many as possible. Sooner or later they will get the idea, well at least those that are left… [/B][/QUOTE]




that is some of the most twisted, convoluted, so-called logic I have ever read. Better layoff the beer for awhile.
WMD's are WMD's no matter whether thay are used to start a fight or end it. It is still illegal to use them no matter if you are the US or Iraq or Russia or whoever.
Cluster bombs are on the UN list of banned weapons because of their indiscriminate carnage. They kill or maim everything in their path as many Iraqi civilians will tell you. Or would tell you if they were still alive. In one well reported incident, cluster bombs practically wiped out an entire Iraqi village that was nowhere near any fighting. Just like landmineyt they can put up no more resistance, it demoralizes those fighting against you since they see all their buddies getting blown away and it helps to win PEACE.

That is the name of the game PEACE and you ONLY get that by having power and the weapons to back it up.

It is not America going around trying to kill innocent people, women and children so all others will do as we do. It is not America trying to take away other peoples way of life, it is terrorist doing that therefore until they, the terrorist realize they are not going to get their way then I hope to see many more cluster bombs fall their way to KILL as many as possible. Sooner or later they will get the idea, well at least those that are left… [/B][/QUOTE]




that is some of the most twisted, convoluted, so-called logic I have ever read. Better layoff the beer for awhile.
WMD's are WMD's no matter whether thay are used to start a fight or end it. It is still illegal to use them no matter if you are the US or Iraq or Russia or whoever.
Cluster bombs are on the UN list of banned weapons because of their indiscriminate carnage. They kill or maim everything in their path as many Iraqi civilians will tell you. Or would tell you if they were still alive. In one well reported incident, cluster bombs practically wiped out an entire Iraqi village that was nowhere near any fighting. Just like landmines they also stick around for years if they don't detonate just waiting for some curious little kid, who doesn't know any better, to pick it up. KABOOM!! Instant shredded kid.

 

A more accurate question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife goes running around the corner in a city 12k miles away screaming obscenities. In your hand is a .357 Magnum and you are an expert shot. You have mere years before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:
What the hell kind of question is that? Are you feeling alright? Can I get you something to drink? Some aspirin?

Right wing answer:
Fly half away around the world and carpet bomb the city the guy is in just to make sure you get him. And his friends. And his family. And his neighbors. And the guy who saw him on the street corner one day on his way to work. And anyone who might have met him. And anyone who might possibly potentially have become another knife carrying loon.

-Don

 

that post came out really weird and it ain't my fault. It looked real good in the preview. Go figure...

 

F150online is doing some strange things to quote code in the last few minutes. It took me three tries to correct one of my posts so don't give arrbilly a hard time about this one.

-Don