War in Iraq planned before 9/11?

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 07:46 PM
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I also don't dismiss things I read based on whether the publication is right, left or center.
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Clearchannel, Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black. All these owners are extreme neo-con rightwingers and don't allow dissenting views in the media they own.
Contradiction or not?
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 07:47 PM
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The one that astounded me was Strom Thurmond. He had a child by his 16 year old African-American housekeeper, then spent his life fighting against equal rights for his own daughter.

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Sounds like typical GOP stuff to me. Say one thing, do another...
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 07:49 PM
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Rush Limbaugh, Dr Laura, et al. Boycott the Dixie Chicks or anyone else who opposes the invasion. Sponsor pro-war rallies. Hmmm, sounds pretty right wing to me.
You have to stop it with these logical arguments. Frank believes ClearChannel to be liberal therefore it is.

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 07:51 PM
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Contradiction or not?
Where is the contradiction? All he did was point out that ClearChannel is, in fact, conservative.

Nowhere does he say he dismisses something on ClearChannel just because it is on ClearChannel.

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 07:52 PM
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Sounds like typical GOP stuff to me. Say one thing, do another...
You’re always going to have some morons among good people. I mean look they have a former KKK leader in the Senate and a democrat at that…
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 07:58 PM
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Where is the contradiction? All he did was point out that ClearChannel is, in fact, conservative.

Nowhere does he say he dismisses something on ClearChannel just because it is on ClearChannel.

-Don
Ahhh, I see, ”Clearchannel, Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black. All these owners are extreme neo-con rightwingers and don't allow dissenting views in the media they own.” and he is not going to dismiss anything they may have to say…

Guess I need a new definition on “contradiction”…
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:00 PM
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Your conclusion is specious because you have no “facts” to back it up…
Wait, when did we find weapons of mass destruction?

The _fact_ is that we have not found any WMD.

My conclusion could still be in error but it is not because there are no facts to back it up.

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:03 PM
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Contradiction or not?
In most unbiased media you will find find both sides of the issue being aired. Not with these guys. When was the last time you heard a dissenting view on Fox News without the so-called fair and balanced hosts interuppting with insults and denigration while basically dismissing what the dissenter had to say.
Guest: Well Bill, all the evidence to date suggests that no weapons were found and none are likely to be, so why did rumsfeld say he knew where they were.
Host: Well they were found. The president said those trucks were mobile weapons labs. Obviously they are and you are being unpatriotic and putting our troops in danger by saying they aren't.
Pretty 'fair and balanced' wouldn't you say?

sidenote:
Just for your information the trucks were later found to be just what the Iraqi's said they were. Helium pumping trucks for observation balloons. That is what the Brits said and they should know as they sold them to the Iraqi's in the first place.

 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:05 PM
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DAMN!! All this typing and debating made me miss "Beat the Geeks" Damn Neo-cons, it's all your fault!!
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:10 PM
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Wait, when did we find weapons of mass destruction?

The _fact_ is that we have not found any WMD.

My conclusion could still be in error but it is not because there are no facts to back it up.

-Don
Your conclusion was proven an error because just a few days ago they found buried a lot of missiles that have some type of blister gas, otherwise known as WMD’s…

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:16 PM
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As far as the Clinton/Lewinski thing is concerned, I spent most of the little time I wasted on the entire affair wondering how getting a hummer in the oval office warranted impeachment. Not to mention all the money that was spent on the whole sordid affair. Or the time wasted that could have been spent on much more productive things. As I recall, your government was pretty much paralyzed because the GOP pitbulls had the bit in their teeth and wouldn't let it go. Can you imagine the howling and screaming fron the GOP if it had been a Democrat president who had mis-led your nation on the reasons he had invaded another country? Personally, I think Clinton is a scumbag. A pretty intelligent scumbag, but, a scumbag none the less. But then, that's pretty much what I think of anyone who f*cks around on their spouse. [/B]
You see. You missed the whole point of the Lewinski affair. (Pardon the pun.) It wasn't about the *******. It was about why he lied about it, and what he was trying to cover up. Anyone who reads as much you do should have stumbled across the subject of the Paula Jones lawsuit. The two were connected. Clinton's lies were to prevent Paula Jones from being able to use Monica to establish character patterns for Bill, and strengthen her sexual assault case against him. Monica turned out to be of little help to Paula, supposedly due to Clinton using his influence to get her a job at the Pentagon. The perjury was connected to an ongoing lawsuit against the President and had nothing to do with Lewinski per se.

Of course the truth doesn't give you any ammunition to throw in the face of conservatives; so, you don't want to hear it. If you did, you would already know all of this and would never have made such a stupid, uninformed statement. I see this in a lot of the arguments made by the people here who claim not to be leftists. I should probably not read these political threads; but, I can't help it. It's like a train wreck. You just can't look away. I try not to make futile arguments in debates that are more about stamina than substance. I just can't help it sometimes.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by sirket
I bet these arguments went over well when you were on the debate team in college

-Don
Wow, the college debate team, there was a bunch of uber intelectuals regurgitating information from pamplets, encyclopedias and statistics from twenty years ago for the sake of....well, I never did figure out why. Wasting their time looking at dated information I guess. As far as arguments, I didn't see any from my end. I was just laughing, and maybe poking someone with a stick.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:23 PM
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Your conclusion was proven an error because just a few days ago they found buried a lot of missiles that have some type of blister gas, otherwise known as WMD’s…
C'mon already!! A half dozen rotting old artillery shells filled with mustard gas left over from the Iran/Iraq war?? That's pretty **** poor evidence for justifying an invasion.
By defination a weapon of mass destruction produces death and destruction on a massive scale. Those shells might have had an effective radius of about 50 metres at best when they were new.
How about the cluster bombs and D.U. shells the US and British forces used in both Iraq conflicts? Both of them are gifts that keep on giving.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:23 PM
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ClearChannel and FOX would seem to be a hell of a lot more conservative than say CNN. Right wing? Depends on your perspective. The further to the Left you are, the more to the Right the Middle, or a little Right of the Middle, seems to be.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:31 PM
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Lots of posts since I was here last.
This one raised my eyebrow, I thought about it and think it is very true.
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
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You may not want to agree with the facts but the fact is President Bush took a huge political risk in doing the “right” thing and thinking of his country, our country first...
01 XLT Sport is referring to the Iraq invasion.
I don't know if Bush himself was aware that the election would turn on this one issue but, I predict it will cost him the White House in '04. November is just too far away for his approval numbers to hold up, especially when there is an actual alternative opponent whoever that may be. I think his best hope is that Democracts divide the vote of their Party amongst themselves to waterdown any one percentage. If Dean doesn't get the nomination he has the money to hang around and wreck it for the nominee.

I usually don't call an election when all the polls and 01 XLT Sport are against me but,
God told Pat Roberson that Bush would win in a landslide so I just couldn't help myself.

supercalifragilistic = So search will find this in November
 
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