War in Iraq planned before 9/11?

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:32 PM
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You see. You missed the whole point of the Lewinski affair. (Pardon the pun.) It wasn't about the *******. It was about why he lied about it, and what he was trying to cover up. Anyone who reads as much you do should have stumbled across the subject of the Paula Jones lawsuit. The two were connected. Clinton's lies were to prevent Paula Jones from being able to use Monica to establish character patterns for Bill, and strengthen her sexual assault case against him. Monica turned out to be of little help to Paula, supposedly due to Clinton using his influence to get her a job at the Pentagon. The perjury was connected to an ongoing lawsuit against the President and had nothing to do with Lewinski per se.

Of course the truth doesn't give you any ammunition to throw in the face of conservatives; so, you don't want to hear it. If you did, you would already know all of this and would never have made such a stupid, uninformed statement. I see this in a lot of the arguments made by the people here who claim not to be leftists. I should probably not read these political threads; but, I can't help it. It's like a train wreck. You just can't look away. I try not to make futile arguments in debates that are more about stamina than substance. I just can't help it sometimes.
I'm not going to make excuses for what he did or the fact that he lied about having an affair. See my reference to scumbags. The simple fact of the matter is that it would be an extraordinary person not to lie when accused of cheating on his spouse. That's called being human. Censure would have done the job without the waste of time or money.
This thread is not about Clinton or hummers so I'm not going to waste any more time on it.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by arrbilly

This thread is not about Clinton or hummers so I'm not going to waste any more time on it.
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by arrbilly
...This thread is not about Clinton or hummers so I'm not going to waste any more time on it.
Would someone be so kind as to tell arrbilly and me where the Clinton hummer thread is? I have been waiting patiently for this one to transform into one as all the other Iraq threads do but, we're page 6 and it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I'm not going to waste any more time either.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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01: You seem to like taking my posts and others apart point by point and giving your response. At least the points that are convenient for your rhetoric. Here are a few that you haven't addressed with my rebuttal following.
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Saddam posed a serious and GRAVE danger to the free world. With that and the fact that Saddam had used his WMD’s before on his own people and in Iran
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<That hardly constitutes an attack on the US. In fact, the US supported Iraq in it's war with Iran because of what happened in 1979. The US provided Iraq with arms, satellite intelligence and the chemical and biological components that enabled the manufacture of the unconventional weapons they had at the time. After the gassing of the Kurds, The CIA and the administration blamed the attack on Iran even though they knew better.>

and the fact that he continually made statements to the effect of wanting to bring America to its knees he was accurately defined by the Clinton administration and now the Bush administration as an Imminent threat…Iraq had made many threats about causing harm to America and Iraq did indeed have the necessary weapons to cause grave harm to America and Iraq did indeed have the means to support and deliver an attack/invasion to America.
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<a) Making loud noises and having the means to back them up are two entirely different things.
b) Again, where are the weapons or the means to deliver them?>


I guess it depends on your definition of “invasion”. No he could not bring his army here, nor could he launch a missile from Iraq to land in America. In the 60’s the word “invasion” (bringing one’s army to another’s country) didn’t really have much meaning anymore as far as a legitimate reason. That is because of the invent of ICBM’s.

<ICBM's in Iraq? Give me a break.>


On a side note I would take it if there was ever another Hitler it would be ok with you to let them do as they please with those in their country so long as they are not “bothering” anyone else (another country)?


<My country and every country in Europe that wasn't aligned with Hitler went to war with him in 1939 while the US sat on the sidelines saying "it's not our fight" until Pearl Harbor in 1941.
In conclusion, your rationalisations just don't hold water.>
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:19 PM
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arrbilly, when you're doing that can you alternate between bold and not bold like 01XLT Sport taught ya so,
I'll know who is right and who is wrong?

p.s.
I'm not telling you how to phrase your argument but, I can't read a whole page like that unless it says, "Clinton or 'hummer' at least once.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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arrbilly, when you're doing that can you alternate between bold and not bold like 01XLT Sport taught ya so,
I'll know who is right and who is wrong?

p.s.
I'm not telling you how to phrase your argument but, I can't read a whole page like that unless it says, "Clinton or 'hummer' at least once.
It must be a good chunk of Canuck in you.

if you can't tell by the content I'll let you in on the secret.
My stuff has the < > on the it. Doing the bold thing takes too long what with my extreme typing speed and all so I just did a cut and paste.

 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:30 PM
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besides, that whole post I took the stuff from was in bold anyhow due to my lack of expertise.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:36 PM
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I got it now.....

<This stuff is right> and this stuff is wrong <Right> Wrong <Good> Bad <Attractive> Ugly <Pedigree> Mutt <Intelligent> Rode the short bus <Democratic Hopeful> Bush <No WMD> WMD coming out the ears <Clinton> <Hummer> <Monica> jealous rightwingers that ain't gettin none
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by Raoul
I got it now.....

<This stuff is right> and this stuff is wrong <Right> Wrong <Good> Bad <Attractive> Ugly <Pedigree> Mutt <Intelligent> Rode the short bus <Democratic Hopeful> Bush <No WMD> WMD coming out the ears <Clinton> <Hummer> <Monica> jealous rightwingers that ain't gettin none
Aahh glasshoppa, you now are beginning to see the light.
If you ever decide to sojourn through the left coast of Canada, let me know. I'll buy you a beer. Off course I'll stick to soda water.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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I'll will be up that way in six years when I retire, that is if President Edwards doesn't close the northern border sometime during his second term.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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I'd extend the same invite to 01, but,seeing as British Columbia is on the left side of the continent, I doubt he'd go for it. Ya never know though, we have a very right wing government here...
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Your conclusion was proven an error because just a few days ago they found buried a lot of missiles that have some type of blister gas, otherwise known as WMD’s…

Linked from Clinton News Network “Fair to the left”

Fair and Balanced
They were artillery shells with a range of 1500 YARDS that were buried and LEAKING. The only people they were going to blister were the Iraqi's trying to fire them.

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 11:09 PM
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Of course the truth doesn't give you any ammunition to throw in the face of conservatives; so, you don't want to hear it.
The Republican governor of Connecticut admitted to accepting gifts and free work after he initially lied about it.

Strom Thurman has an illigitimate daughter and fought to make sure she had didn't have equal rights.

Richard Nixon covered up a break-in at the Watergate Hotel.

Both sides of the aisle have bad apples so please do not pretend either one is innocent.

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by ViperGrendal
Wow, the college debate team, there was a bunch of uber intelectuals regurgitating information from pamplets, encyclopedias and statistics from twenty years ago for the sake of....well, I never did figure out why.
Huh. The debate people I knew in college were intelligent, articulate, and generally had a lot of fun. You probably just weren't invited to those parties

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 11:44 PM
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...By defination a weapon of mass destruction produces death and destruction on a massive scale. Those shells might have had an effective radius of about 50 metres at best when they were new...
First I have not seen any news yet on if those shells tested possitive for chemicals, I read somewhere that the results should be in a few days.

Second, if they are found to have chemical agents in them, then contrary to the above definition, they still are on the no-no list.



The Commission for Conventional Armaments resolves to advise the Security Council:

1. that it considers that all armaments and armed forces, except atomic weapons and weapons of mass destruction, fall within its jurisdiction and that weapons of mass destruction should be defined to include atomic explosive weapons, radio active material weapons, lethal chemical and biological weapons, and any weapons developed in the future which have characteristics comparable in destructive effect to those of the atomic bomb or other weapons mentioned above.
From: http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/decade/decad253.htm



We all now we the WMD's are hidden though

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