War in Iraq planned before 9/11?

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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 10:05 PM
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Don’t worry about the post not coming out right it took me a bit to figure it out. I'll use the example below as a quote:

“This makes it easier to tell what I actually posted and your answer to it. Just spilt the post like this and copy and paste.”

When that actually comes up like a quote it will look like this without the space between [ and I [ i]

[ QUOTE][ i]Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport[ /i][ b]
“This makes it easier to tell what I actually posted and your answer to it. Just spilt the post like this and copy and paste.”[ /b][ /quote]

As you can see it is in bold. For me I like to make it easier to read so I don’t use the bold ([ b] or [ /b]) I just delete them.

I then copy the: [ QUOTE][ i]Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport[ /i][ b]

That way I can split it up and anyone else that reads it knows who I am responding to. So with the first example if I wanted to split it up it would look like this (without the spaces)


[ QUOTE][ i]Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport[ /i] This makes it easier to tell what I actually posted and your answer to it[ /quote]

the last [ /quote] I add to end the first part I am going to address.

Then I add what ever I am going to post about and then post the next part of the original quote like this:

[ QUOTE][ i]Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport[ /i]
Just spilt the post like this and copy and paste.”[ /quote]

So it would look like this when done:

Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
“This makes it easier to tell what I actually posted and your answer to it.
Informative dialog here…

Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Just spilt the post like this and copy and paste.”
More informative dialog here…
 
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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 10:07 PM
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First I never stated that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, however in time you will find that Saddam is linked with Bin Laden…

Second, it is very simple, Saddam was an imminent threat to America and he made it quite clear that he had every intention of causing great harm to America. He had proved, from past experience, his willingness to carry out his threats as I stated before by using WMD’s on his own people and on another country. Therefore the threat was there.

Third, as Odin's Wrath pointed out Saddam had not done was it was told to do and what he AGREED to do after the first war so this was a continuation of that war as well as the facts that the entire free world, those associated with the United Nations agreed to and that was Saddam was a “serious” and “grave” danger to the free world.

Forth, Saddam did indeed support terrorist and associated with terrorist from across the world and thus this links him to world terrorism. That due with the fact he had the capability to be the major supplier of WMD’s to the world terriost made him a imminent threat to America.

Fifth, it does not matter if we ever find any WMD’s the facts are the facts. There is no Monday morning quarterbacking in reality. Saddam himself with his own admission had stated he DID have WMD’s and that is the end of the story.

Sixth, the fact that we kicked the chit out of Saddam is having positive change in the Middle East. Libya has seen the light, North Korea (not Middle East, but good news) has seen the light and other Middle East countries are beginning to talk peace with Israel. So this was a major win for America, Britain, the others who were with us and the free world itself.

Seventh, A good day for America is a bad day for liberals, good news for America is bad news for liberals…

I had to do a seventh because I didn’t want to end on sixth…
 

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Old Jan 13, 2004 | 10:46 PM
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thanks 01 I'll play with it for a while and see what I can do with it.


Originally posted by Raoul
Don't worry about me, you better put a seatbelt on for the "Mother of all replies" that is surely on your way.
You somehow compared Bush to Hitler without saying 'Bush' or 'Hitler'. That did not escape the Eagle eyes of the "Burtmeister"
actually, if I did it was purely unintentional. It just happens that the current rules of war were established after ww2. Who was in power where is incidental and has no bearing on it. What it means is that a country can't use the idea that another country may be a threat to it some time in the future as an excuse to invade said country. Sorry for the confusion.
BTW, me finding you quite funny doesn't necessarily mean I think you agree with me.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 07:40 AM
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thanks 01 I'll play with it for a while and see what I can do with it.
Anytime friend, I am here to help...
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 09:58 AM
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I saw this this morning on CNN's website.....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ush/index.html

I notice that CNN wiped out all links to this story shortly after it went up. I had to do a search for "Paul O'Neill" in order to find it again. The "O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11" headline is still on the forefront of the headlines however.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by arrbilly
...BTW, me finding you quite funny doesn't necessarily mean I think you agree with me.
Not to worry, my side is the debate itself.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
First I never stated that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, however in time you will find that Saddam is linked with Bin Laden…
Facts? URL's that you can link to that prove this?

Second, it is very simple, Saddam was an imminent threat to America
The Carnegie Endowment for Internation Peace disagrees:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/08/spr...ort/index.html

Third, as Odin's Wrath pointed out Saddam had not done was it was told to do and what he AGREED to do after the first war so this was a continuation of that war as well as the facts that the entire free world, those associated with the United Nations agreed to and that was Saddam was a “serious” and “grave” danger to the free world.
Most of Africa, Cuba, Parts of the Middle East, and North Korea all ignore the UN. Should we invade them all?

Forth, Saddam did indeed support terrorist and associated with terrorist from across the world and thus this links him to world terrorism. That due with the fact he had the capability to be the major supplier of WMD’s to the world terriost made him a imminent threat to America.
Facts? URL's to back up your claims? Show us that he had WMD's. Show us that he had terrorist ties.

it does not matter if we ever find any WMD’s the facts are the facts. There is no Monday morning quarterbacking in reality. Saddam himself with his own admission had stated he DID have WMD’s and that is the end of the story.
I have WMD's! Do you believe me? Saddam was all bark and no bite. He liked to talk and to hear himself talk.

Sixth, the fact that we kicked the chit out of Saddam is having positive change in the Middle East. Libya has seen the light, North Korea (not Middle East, but good news) has seen the light and other Middle East countries are beginning to talk peace with Israel.
This is specious reasoning.

So this was a major win for America, Britain, the others who were with us and the free world itself.
It is a major win unless through this war we have created more martyrs and more animosity towards us in the world.

Seventh, A good day for America is a bad day for liberals, good news for America is bad news for liberals…
You seem to believe that liberals hate this country. I can not figure out why. I think right wing conservatives hate this country. You probably can not figure out why.

I had to do a seventh because I didn’t want to end on sixth…
Next time take a lesson from God and rest on the seventh

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 12:04 PM
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The Carnegie Endowment for Internation Peace disagrees:
Who cares what these people think. They are left-wing extremists. For you to quote WHAT THEY SAY as fact, is completely idiotic.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Raoul
...His head tilts back, eyes close and he mouths a prayer of Thanksgiving to the God of political satire for the bounty he is about to receive.


I'm so glad that I have learned not to drink anything while reading your posts.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by ViperGrendal




real deep...
that took a lot of thought and really strained the old brain cells I'll bet.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Frank S
Who cares what these people think. They are left-wing extremists. For you to quote WHAT THEY SAY as fact, is completely idiotic.
Same goes for the Army War College I guess...
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by arrbilly
real deep...
that took a lot of thought and really strained the old brain cells I'll bet.
I already told you I wasn't gonna waste my time. I see I was right and you weren't listening.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by sirket
You seem to believe that liberals hate this country. I can not figure out why. I think right wing conservatives hate this country. You probably can not figure out why.
In general liberals love themselves, power and socialist programs “before” they love their country. Conservatives, in general love their country first and foremost. President Bush has demonstrated that, at least in my opinion, by taking the “right” action, the “just” action in protecting his country FIRST and worrying about the political fall out later.

You may not want to agree with the facts but the fact is President Bush took a huge political risk in doing the “right” thing and thinking of his country, our country first.

If it had been a liberal in charge there would have been a lot of “talking” and maybe a few missiles launched for “show” to make it look like he/she “cared”. That is all liberals are about for the most part, they are about “feelings”.

Reality and security is not based in “feelings” it is based in logic and the logical thing to do when ones country is threaten and had been invaded is to take action, to let the world know that America is not taking anyone’s chit no more. So for the other countries that support terrorist it’s all about rolling the dice.

Libya took their dice off the table because they knew more then likely they would be shooting craps and it sure looks as if North Korea is taking their dice off the table as well.

That is called standing up for yourself. When you take on the bully the bully WILL back down after time, maybe the first time maybe the second time but they WILL back down.

I do not need to back up the facts I mentioned with URL’s. Simply search the web yourself and if you really look for the facts you will find them. As far as Saddam having WMD’s and me backing up those facts there is no logical reason to. Saddam had backed those facts up himself as well as the ENTIRE free world, those associated with the United Nations.

As far as The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and disagreeing well that’s fine. They choose to ignore the FACTS the rest of the free world had. Also note that The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has very limited access to intelligence that other nations use to arrive at their facts. I have address this radical left wing organization before and they are just that a political organization with an agenda and give themselves some stupid name that means absolutely nothing.

For them they truly believe that if everyone just sits down and smokes a peace pipe that everyone will play nice. Their problem is they have been smoking too much of something because reality is if you do not have protection, a very powerful military there will NEVER be peace.

Peace is ONLY achieved when one can protect it. Without protection (military power) there NEVER will be peace. That is an undisputed FACT of life and can be proved out in any major city in the world…

You think the world is violent now I will guarantee you if America’s military were ever disarmed the world would be 10 times as violent…

It is ONLY because of the men and women in the military the world is as safe a place to live as it is now. It is ONLY the men and women in the military that guarantee you the freedom you enjoy. It is ONLY the men and women in the military that guarantee you the rights you have today, such as free speech and the ability for you and I to debate back and forth.

So the next time you see someone from the military you really should thank them for the freedoms you enjoy for it is ONLY because of them there is a bright future…
 

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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by arrbilly
real deep...
that took a lot of thought and really strained the old brain cells I'll bet.
Sometimes, accuracy doesn't have to be complicated.
 
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