so that was you in that picture that was posted a while back. Cool machine!! LMFAO

 

AjRagno:

Let me try to end this by saying first I have great respect for you and your thoughts. As I have stated before I know you believe what you write because you are always able to come back and defend your position on an issue.

Regardless I may not agree with you, you at least have core values that you believe in from your soul and are able to back up your position.

Now, you may not feel I have core values or as others have mentioned only believe things I hear from particular people, and then from the conservative party itself. That is not true and never has been. I think you like others who have been around for a while know me well enough that I speak from my own mind, and not what I may read or hear in other places.

There are issues that conservatives hold deeply narrow views on that I do not agree with. There are things the Republican party does that I do not agree with, for example the past year or so of unlimited social spending while having control of both houses. It is like it is a freaking party. While President Clinton was in office they, for the most part, held pretty tight to keeping the budget balanced. Now that President Clinton is gone it a free for all.

I do not think my comments were insulting, and no where near like calling someone a name and degrading them as some do to other races with names. I do think that perhaps some were over the top to draw attention, such as “why do liberals get so upset when you call them a liberal” etc.

Now, you may continue to find what I have to say irrelevant or not serious but I will tell you I debate from what I believe, the views I believe, the solutions I think will fit the problems and I continue to find your view points and many others on here very relevant because if nothing less, my self included, it at least provokes thought and that’s what this country needs more then ever now days.

There are way to many people who are numb and just out of touch with important issues and figure “someone else” will be along to solve them. It is not anybody in government that is ever really going to solve problems. Both parties need to hold on to issues for “electability” (might not be a word, guess a 01 Bush thing… lol) You mentioned President Bush “paying back supporters” to that I would agree to a certain extent, and also state that ALL Presidents and politicians in one way or the other have to pay back supporters. It is the system we have today and I personally think it needs to be changed but not by campaign finance reform, but something that goes much further but does not limit free speech.

However that is a debate for another time…

 

I have to express what a wonderful human being, serotta is for bringing us back down to earth.

Thank you, arrbilly for bringing Michael Moore into the mix. That's always a wise policy around here.

01 XLT Sport, what can I say? I don't like, Bush and I don't trust him

Some of what you just said makes me feel a little guilty. You see, I just returned from the Animal Humane Society, where I made a donation in your name to save dozens of cats

You inspired me

 

You sound like my first wife, she said the same thing with tongue firmly planted in cheek. (Of course is was always someone else's cheek.)

I will chip in to donate to the Save the Whales Fondation just to keep a harpoon out of Michael Moore.

LMAO at the cat donation!

 

Here kitty, kitty, kitty...

 

ahh.. never mind..

 

AjRagno -

No flame, but I gotta ask a question:

If it is really about the oil, why are the gas prices here so high, and predicted to go even higher ??

Just wondering... I'm probaly not smart enough to understand the whole picture, but I really don't see the oil link in any of the day to day goings on in the world ?

BTW - Who Bush helps out via his presidency is not really relevant - EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT EVER ELECTED HAS DONE THE EXACT SAME THING.

Bill Clinton either helped them or killed them: Bill Clinton's Body Count

Anyway, please tell me about the oil...

 

Well I can comment a little on the oil situation. It is “partly” to do with the oil. It has been for over 20 years or so of both Democratic and Republican Presidents. The Middle East sits on one of the worlds largest oil supplies. Therefore stability there MUST be maintained, if for anything, so the free world remains stable.

Oil is everything, especially to the free world, it is to America, and it is to France etc. Why do you think the socialist county of France was so heavily involved with Saddam? OIL my friends, the black mighty oil and money.

Turn off the Middle East oil valve and our economy as well as most of the free world goes belly up. You thought you seen a bad economy and job loses with 911, you ain’t seen anything until the Middle East oil supply is turned off…

Let’s also not forget that “one” of the main reasons America depends on oil from the Middle East is the environmental wackos here in America, liberals with a different spin, if you will.

Now, I am all for other renewable energy sources but that is a long, long time away. In the mean time it is and will be OIL. Please don’t give me this BS about Republicans do NOT want renewable energy sources because it will be just that BS. The Democrats are not at all interested in renewable energy sources either by evidence of President Clinton’s 8 year tenure in the White House. I don’t recall the ol’ boy doing a whole lot for renewable energy sources.

However, his best buddy Algore had the solution which was to have extremely high fuel prices, and fuel taxes that would greatly curb peoples appetite for oil, not to mention so they would not be able to afford to heat their home ”for the children” If you don’t believe me just read Algore’s book. I don’t recall the name but I am sure there is a picture of Algore possibly hugging a tree…

So, now the question, why does America have to depend on the nasty Middle East for oil, among other regions? Environmental wackos who will NOT allow American’s to drill for their very own oil right here at home and in Alaska.

So the next time some liberal spews ”it’s about the oil” you now know there is some truth behind it, not to mention really nasty biological, chemical and possible nuclear weapons that could be used against ”our children”. Also when they do state ”it’s about the oil” simple state back to them:

”Yes, I understand that is ONE reason, and thanks buddy for making us dependant on someone else”

It fits the liberal agenda, everyone needs to be dependant on someone else, and it is a sin to be self sufficient…

 

I do understand the Middle East oil as far as stability goes. That really wasn't the point of my question.

Iraq does not supply it's oil to the US, at least not through publically acknowledged channels.

OPEC and company do not have the world by the ball$ as much as some would like you to believe.

Remember, if they don't sell their oil, they don't get money. They have little else to sell or barter with in the Middle East, and have little in the way of other natural resources to provide for their own people.

In short, they need us as much (or more) as we need them.

I think we should show everyone how we could be - we should take all the Iraqi oil for a 6 month period. Let the Saudi liars feel the repercussions of reduced sales.

Hell, if they continue to sponsor moronic terrorist activities, I'm all for taking the Saudi's stinking oil and not paying them for any of it. Let's see them sponsor terror without money...

 

B-Man-- your right they most likely will not shut off the oil, but if they cut back oil production or increase the price of a barrel then ours go up. If the OPEC countries start fighting then the oil production from those countries slows down or stops all together.

If I remember correctly when the prices spiked prior to Gulf War II the oil prices were somewhere around $35 per barrel. That is only $10 dollars more than the OPEC agreed upon price and in my area I saw a price increase of about .30.

The whole thing basically boils down to suppy and demand. OPEC limits the amount of oil each country can produce, to keep the price in line with the $25.00 target. With more countries suppling the oil if one or two falls into turmoil then the supply is not drastacally reduced and keeping the price in line is not difficult. However this does not preclude oil companies starting a bidding war in an attempt to keep adequate supplies on hand from increasing the price of oil. Then there is also just the rumor of anything out of the ordinary that will cause the prices to go up.