View Poll Results: Do you smoke?
Yes.
42
23.60%
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115
64.61%
Sometimes.
15
8.43%
Doesn't matter to me.
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3.37%
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From: Hammer Lane
Originally Posted by jamzwayne
Well, cigarettes are "legal", "Mary Jane" is not legal, but should be in my opinon.
So we only have "privileges" and not "rights"?
So we only have "privileges" and not "rights"?
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From: Your moms house
Originally Posted by kobiashi
If I breath air from a scuba tank I'm not going to die. That's because air, whether concentrated or "ambient" is good for me. Doesn't matter if I breath only air and nothing but air, it's not going to kill me. Why? because air=good. We need it.
If I breath smoke from a scuba tank I am going to die. Smoke is toxic. It's not an argument based on levels of degrees.
If I breath smoke from a scuba tank I am going to die. Smoke is toxic. It's not an argument based on levels of degrees.
WAIT.
Why are we comparing smoke in a scuba tank vs. smoke air born in a bar?
Of course one will kick the bucket if they breathe smoke from a scuba tank. Like you mentioned..we need air to survive. Smoke isn't natural air, it's the result of burning tobacco.
Mix the air in a scuba tank with 25% smoke and I bet you a million bucks that person will live. I agree that 2nd hand smoke is harmful, but it's not a deadly toxin.
Now take that same person and have him scuba dive everyday for the rest of his/her life, and they might get cancer or something for sure. BUT, if a person goes to a bar from time to time, and inhales 2nd hand smoke, I cant see him/her getting sick from that.
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You know what, most pleasures in this world aren't good for you. Yeah, I said most. We all know sugar isn't good for us. Should we take away the privledge of eating a gooey piece of chocolate cake? Fast food isn't good for us. Should we shut down every McDonald's and Burger King? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? I know the issue is 2nd hand smoke, but the other things I mentioned are tempting. Should we take away all temptation? I agree, out of common courtesy, smoking shouldn't be done in restaurants or closed in areas. I am an occasional smoker. I am also as much as a considerate smoker as I can be. If I am around someone that doesn't smoke, I will ask them first is they mind if I light up. If I am visiting someone and even if they smoke, I will go outside to smoke instead of in their home. But no one can tell me I can't light up in the middle of an open area outside. Smoking has been going on for ages and ages. We all know it's not good for us. But that is our choice, our right, our privledge to smoke if we want.
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From: Your moms house
I dunno.
With the ice caps melting, smoking in bars is a bad thing, and the lack of common curtesy these days, I dont know what to think or do anymore. I guess I will go visit dzervit in Vegas. I'll see if I can find the dumpster he is in and join him. Sounds like the smart thing to do these days....how much is a hooker now?
With the ice caps melting, smoking in bars is a bad thing, and the lack of common curtesy these days, I dont know what to think or do anymore. I guess I will go visit dzervit in Vegas. I'll see if I can find the dumpster he is in and join him. Sounds like the smart thing to do these days....how much is a hooker now?
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From: Somewhere near the back of beyond
Originally Posted by kobiashi
. . .I don't need studies to tell me what is bad. I don't care which lobby says what. I don't need a department of transportation study to spend millions of dollars to tell me that getting hit by a car while I'm crossing an intersection can kill me. I don't need an environmental impact study to tell me that smog is bad for me, and I don't need the AMA telling me that smoke is bad to breath or the tobacco lobby telling me that it's not a problem. If I breath in smoke, it's hurting my lungs.
It's quite simple really.
It's quite simple really.
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Originally Posted by kobiashi
No, I wouldn't.
That however does not mean I think we should outlaw smoking.
If I breathe air from a scuba tank I'm not going to die. That's because air, whether concentrated or "ambient" is good for me. Doesn't matter if I breathe only air and nothing but air, it's not going to kill me. Why? because air=good. We need it.
If I breathe smoke from a scuba tank I am going to die. Smoke is toxic. It's not an argument based on levels of degrees.
And yes, so is car exhaust, and a bunch of other stuff. I'm not advocating outlawing it, I just think it's amazingly ignorant for people to say secondhand smoke is harmless. Common sense dictates otherwise. You are just as much a sucker of the smoking lobby propaganda as are the people you claim are brainwashed by the anti-smoking lobby.
It's doesn't take more than simple reasoning to figure out that if you breathe in smoke into your lungs, be it "ambient"
or otherwise, it's bad for you. Anyone with a few brain cells can figure it out smoke in your lungs = not good.
That's also why I have no sympathy for smokers who sue tobacco companies. They should get nothing. The charge that ". . . they didn't tell me it was harmful!" or the conspiracy charge that cigarette companies did not disclose . . . so what. If they are stupid enough not to realize that inhaling smoke into their lungs is not what their lungs were designed for and that it's going to cause damage, then they deserve what they get. No one forced them to take up smoking.
I don't need studies to tell me what is bad. I don't care which lobby says what. I don't need a department of transportation study to spend millions of dollars to tell me that getting hit by a car while I'm crossing an intersection can kill me. I don't need an environmental impact study to tell me that smog is bad for me, and I don't need the AMA telling me that smoke is bad to breathe or the tobacco lobby telling me that it's not a problem. If I breathe in smoke, it's hurting my lungs.
It's quite simple really.
That however does not mean I think we should outlaw smoking.
If I breathe air from a scuba tank I'm not going to die. That's because air, whether concentrated or "ambient" is good for me. Doesn't matter if I breathe only air and nothing but air, it's not going to kill me. Why? because air=good. We need it.
If I breathe smoke from a scuba tank I am going to die. Smoke is toxic. It's not an argument based on levels of degrees.
And yes, so is car exhaust, and a bunch of other stuff. I'm not advocating outlawing it, I just think it's amazingly ignorant for people to say secondhand smoke is harmless. Common sense dictates otherwise. You are just as much a sucker of the smoking lobby propaganda as are the people you claim are brainwashed by the anti-smoking lobby.
It's doesn't take more than simple reasoning to figure out that if you breathe in smoke into your lungs, be it "ambient"
or otherwise, it's bad for you. Anyone with a few brain cells can figure it out smoke in your lungs = not good.That's also why I have no sympathy for smokers who sue tobacco companies. They should get nothing. The charge that ". . . they didn't tell me it was harmful!" or the conspiracy charge that cigarette companies did not disclose . . . so what. If they are stupid enough not to realize that inhaling smoke into their lungs is not what their lungs were designed for and that it's going to cause damage, then they deserve what they get. No one forced them to take up smoking.
I don't need studies to tell me what is bad. I don't care which lobby says what. I don't need a department of transportation study to spend millions of dollars to tell me that getting hit by a car while I'm crossing an intersection can kill me. I don't need an environmental impact study to tell me that smog is bad for me, and I don't need the AMA telling me that smoke is bad to breathe or the tobacco lobby telling me that it's not a problem. If I breathe in smoke, it's hurting my lungs.
It's quite simple really.
hang on a second. your god complex is so blinding that Im having trouble counting how many times you've just called me stupid or brainless.
I counter your arguments with "you'd have to be stupid to think that second hand smoke is anywhere near as fatal/harmful as direct smoke.
The human body has capacity to deal with and filter out a certain amount of ambient toxins. Things like second hand cigarette smoke, car exhaust, household furnace exhaust, plastic gases, etc.
Your truck exhaust hasnt killed you yet. Gas/Oil furnace emissions havent killed you yet. The plastic in your truck hasnt killed you yet.
Im not saying that it cant kill... Im saying under normal circumstances, second hand smoke isnt as fatal as the lobby would lead us to belive.
For the record, the tobacco companies are not the only ones lying about this. The Cancer and Lung Association charities are as big a business as tobacco and need to perpetuate lies (just like big tobacco) to keep their business alive. Dont belive me? Go look up how much money the executives and directors of these charities make.
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From: Your moms house
I already tried that J.
No one will listen. It's pointless.
[sarcasm] Second hand smoke is VERY dangerous. When you see a person smoking, run for your life.[/sarcasm]
Maybe second hand smoke is what's causing "global warming".
No one will listen. It's pointless.
[sarcasm] Second hand smoke is VERY dangerous. When you see a person smoking, run for your life.[/sarcasm]
Maybe second hand smoke is what's causing "global warming".
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Originally Posted by jamzwayne
I already tried that J.
No one will listen. It's pointless.
[sarcasm] Second hand smoke is VERY dangerous. When you see a person smoking, run for your life.[/sarcasm]
Maybe second hand smoke is what's causing "global warming".
No one will listen. It's pointless.
[sarcasm] Second hand smoke is VERY dangerous. When you see a person smoking, run for your life.[/sarcasm]
Maybe second hand smoke is what's causing "global warming".
funny how people jump on you when you disagree. Because I disagree with the anti-smoking lobby, I must be a smoking zealot (which I am not)
I had the nerve to say that the 04-06 F150 were seriously de-contented vs the 97-03 and theyt jump all over saying "go ahead and buy a Chevy"
I guess there are some subjects that people refuse to consider any other opinion.
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Originally Posted by J-150
funny how people jump on you when you disagree. Because I disagree with the anti-smoking lobby, I must be a smoking zealot (which I am not)
I had the nerve to say that the 04-06 F150 were seriously de-contented vs the 97-03 and theyt jump all over saying "go ahead and buy a Chevy"
I guess there are some subjects that people refuse to consider any other opinion.
I had the nerve to say that the 04-06 F150 were seriously de-contented vs the 97-03 and theyt jump all over saying "go ahead and buy a Chevy"
I guess there are some subjects that people refuse to consider any other opinion.
what are you nuts....decontented...you're just jealous....some people
just kidding....if the door is closed to new ideas dont even bother knocking....
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From: Your moms house
Originally Posted by vader716
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what are you nuts....decontented...you're just jealous....some people
just kidding....
if the door is closed to new ideas dont even bother knocking....
what are you nuts....decontented...you're just jealous....some people
just kidding....if the door is closed to new ideas dont even bother knocking....
Knock...Knock...Knock...
Anyone there?
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From: Hammer Lane
Originally Posted by J-150
I guess there are some subjects that people refuse to consider any other opinion.
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I can't stand the smell of cigarette or cigar smoke. My Dad smoked from the time he was 13 till he was 35. At the age of 35, he was smoking 3 packs a day and quit cold turkey. His nasty habit influenced me not to even want to try it. My wife is allergic to the smoke and goes in to coughing convulsions, so we avoid it totally.
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Originally Posted by bluejay432000
My Dad smoked from the time he was 13 till he was 35. At the age of 35, he was smoking 3 packs a day and quit cold turkey.
wow! that must have been tough. was he very cranky?
