Actually that statement disappoints me. So what is it about conservatives that scare you? Is it that they would hold every single person personally responsible for their actions? Is it that they would insure this county, more specifically that the Federal government stays true to the Constitution? Is it that they would actually make school administrators accountable for every child to actually learn how to read, write, do math and science rather then learning about Sally having two mommy’s, or Billy having two daddy’s?

Is it that they would insure the Federal government completely funds the one and most important program there is for this country which is the military, and then if there was money left they then could choose to fund other hand-out programs for those “truly” in need? Is it that they would actually see the Social Security was funded correctly to insure it does not go bankrupt, because as you know, or may not know, it was Republicans that brought the program to life to begin with?

Perhaps the fear comes from the fact that they would not give out money to drug addicts, alcoholics, and other morons that can’t seem to get their crap straight? That they would MAKE them enter programs to get clean or else they just live in the desert somewhere out of site, out of mind due to “personal responsibility”.

Perhaps, it is maybe because they would completely reform how the justice systems works in this country so that every dumb *** can’t take major corporations to court over ill-responsible acts of others (i.e. cigarette smokers, people that can’t stop going to McDonalds, somebody that gets shot by a gun of which no fault of the gun but rather the person that pulled the trigger).

Maybe it is the fact that anyone who receives welfare would actually have to be in serious need of it rather then some fat slobs sitting on the couch all day eating free food, watching Oprah, and when their tummy hurt they go to the doctors for free, or when they want braces they get them free as well.

Perhaps it is if they reformed welfare for only those that really need it there would be strict rules such as NO more kids while on it because you would not get more money, that you could not buy beer, or good cuts of steaks, or name brand cereal. They, the government, would be the parents over the welfare recipients, the children. It would be as long as you’re under our roof you do as we say but you’re always free to leave and live out on your OWN. Like it is for most kids living at home with parents.

Finally, maybe it is because they, we would insure that us who work would keep as much of our money as possible unless WE approved some hand-out socialist program. That when ever there was a tax cut those in congress would not ask the same stupid moron question of “how are we going to pay for this?” but rather when they decided on a socialist program they would ask the question of “how are we going to pay for this?”

I guess for some that might be pretty damn scary, but for A LOT of people a breath of fresh air because finally things would make pretty good sense…

 

If by "snatching it all up" you mean believing that the money I make is mine and my family's, the things I buy with that money are mine and my family's and that my tax dollars shouldn't have to fund baby factory welfare recipients who would rather spit out another gov't check cashing kid than get a job and pay taxes like me then yes, I'll agree with that statement. I hope you enjoy your freedom to be an idiot because President's like Bush ensure you maintain it in spite of President's like Clinton. For fear of sounding rash and quick tempered I will forgo any further comment on your stupidity. Ummm, except that one.

 

Osama Bin Laden and his most senior aids are on the loose and still plotting and commiting terrorist attacks around the world.

Saddam Hussein is still alive and helping to cause attacks against our occupational forces in Iraq.

Clinton presided over the longest economic expansion in the history of the planet. At the start of his term Rushie boy and his demented minions swore the economy was not in a recession. One year later they denied there was ever a recovery and said we were still in the recession they earlier denied. After realizing they could not deny the fabulous economic conditions we all enjoyed they claimed Clinton had nothing to do with it.

For six years all we heard from right wing screamers was that Clinton had nothing to do with our great and fabulous economy now everything about the economy is Clintons fault, HUH?

We spent over 80 million dollars investigating Whitewater, a land deal worth about 1 million dollars. We got nothing but the republicans shoving Clintons crotch in our faces for two years as a result of this "bipartisan" investigation.

Bush has hidden almost everything about his past, if he was so great then why does he hide his past like a coward. Where was he during his last year in the service. No one has come forward with anything to prove he was there, no records, no friends who served with him, no anything.

Clinton was elected both times with more votes than anyone else, we will never knowif he would have won without Perot in the running, but we know that the Perot voters did not vote for conservative republicans either.

The conservatives cried for eight years that Clinton was "stealing their issues". Why cry if he was doing what they wanted anyway. He signed NAFTA (bad idea, it was championed first by JRs daddy) and now Bush wants to expand NAFTA to the rest of the Americas.

No, regardless of the haters here I won't pile on to Clinton. He should have kept his pants up, but the lawmakers screaming the loudest about their moral indignity were all screwing around with young women at the same time Clinton was.

Bush has no *****, his every financial success came at the hands of others. The man, by his own mothers account, frequently came home falling down drunk and wanting to fist fight with his own father. If that is the best character the Hard Right can come up with to run our country then we are in sad shape.

McCain has more maturity and strength of character in his toenail clippings than Bush has in his whole body. The so called "Christian Right" attacked this true war hero without mercy and cost our country a true man to lead our fine country.

I don't like any of the current Democratic candidates so far but I have already helped to raise many thousands of dollars to attempt to defeat Bush in 2004. In fact I intend to use many thousands of dollars of my own money to help defeat Bush because I love the good ole USA and Bush is not worthy of his office nor my respect. Hopefully another Democratic contender will come forward or the Republicans will wake up and offer us a real man for office.

Despite what you may hear on the radio or television, it is possible to dislike our alcoholic in chief and still be a patriot, in fact, at least in my humble opinion, to be a patriot we should insist on a different president.

 

A gee Nick, maybe Clintons success spawned from the Reagan Bush years? And now after 8 years of Clinton, Bush Jr. is faced with cleaning up the mess and putting things back on track?

Bush might get drunk, but he's faithful to his wife. He isn't banging interns, killing Vince Fosters or putting people in prison to cover his *** from when he was Govenor. He is taking action when we are getting attacked unlike that Super Wuss Clinton that turned his head evertime we were attacked. Remember the USS Cole, the first World Trade Center Bombing. Remember Waco? Branch Davidians?Janet Reno? FBI Scandals? Brady Bills? 14 round pistol magazines? 2nd amendment rights? Enron? Whitewater?

http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Clinton_Scandals.shtml

There was alot more to Clinton then not being able to keep his pants up. Maybe you should THINK and do some research on the matter before you post.

His (Clinton) first act was to toss out the Whitehouse furniture from the oval office like it meant nothing, and had no historical value. He threw a friggen party to throw it in the face of others he and the liberals had won the election.

You say Bush has no *****? How do you explain what is going on in the Middle East?

I am not saying Bush is the greatest, certainly not the smartest, cleanest President to ever come down the pike, but he is doing an oustanding job considering the task that was laid out before him.
Between all the Clinton crap he has to deal with, the terrorist attacks and the Clinton depleted military, Bush has turned out to be ONE HELL OF A PRESIDENT.

I Hope you spend/raise thousands of dollars to defeat Bush in 2004. I cannot think of a more useles way to spend money. Especially when you don't like any of the Democratic candidates. I am going to spend my money on guns, beer, kids, and mods for my truck.

Beware, ye who cast the first stone.

If you love the USA so much, why don't you spend your time supporting its commander and chief that was elected by popular majority.

To not be willing to "pile" on Clinton is not being fair to Bush. It means you are one sided and not willing to look at the issues on both sides. You are not fair and just. Your views are skewed, lopsided and border on communism. This is the United States of America, not the United Socialist States.

If you want to speak your mind, fine, just be fair about it. State facts about why Bush is so bad. Don't just stumble in here saying he is a drunk. All the Kennedy's are/were drunks.

You say Bush has a shady service record, and the last year was missing? So what. At least he served unlike that COWARD clinton that ran to Canada and never served a day in his life in the military.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I would take a long look at the web site you are reading and look for Swastika's.

 

no offense to anyone he re but...WHO CARES...if you dont like bush and many people dont and many people do, you can voice your opinion in the elections thats what makes this country great

 

Like voting in the elections in 2000 really made a difference?

 

Savageyzf:

Great post except I would like to correct one “small” error I see. It is in the first line as follows:

“A gee Nick, maybe Clintons success spawned from the Reagan Bush years?”

The correction would be:

“A gee Nick, Clintons success IN FACT spawned from the Reagan Bush years?

Now to be fair to Nick, not a lot of people understand how the economy works and just how a President affects it. It works basically like this, in the simplest form. When a President makes a decision and it finally gets through congress, for instance a tax cut, it takes YEARS and YEARS before you actually see an effect on the economy.

I have made many posts in the past on this subject.

Question: What made the 90’s one of the biggest growths in America?
Answer: High tech, such as cell phones and computers and related items.

Question: How long did it take to get cell phones and computers to the market?
Answer: YEARS and YEARS, of research and development.

Question: What made it possible for the research and development to take place?

Answer #1: President Reagan having the brains and know how that it takes CAPITAL, in other words TAX CUTS to the “nasty rich people”

Answer #2: Military research and development also made it possible for many of today’s high tech devices such as GPS, all in part to the HUGH and BIG military build up brought to you by President Reagan. Not only that he helped to quickly end the cold war, it was the finally nail in the coffin.


Now, back to what President Bush has to clean up.

Question: Why did President Bush take over a failing economy from Clinton.

Answer #1: After years of tax hikes, taking money OUT of research and development companies did NOT have the necessary CAPITAL to further their R&D programs.

Answer #2: Us consumers having LESS money in our pockets are buying less products today and thus has an affect on the economy.

Answer #3: For the foreseeable future there will be much less products coming from any research and development due to the military. Clinton did his best to fund the military the least amount possible and cutting many programs, thus the money they have is spread thin and not much for R&D.


So my friends the next time someone tries to tell you that Clinton was responsible for such a great economy during the 90’s you now KNOW THE TRUTH, it was due to President Reagan, and NOT Clinton.

As far as today’s decision made by President Bush and the tax cuts, they will help a LITTLE for now, but you will not see any real measurable difference until well in his SECOND TERM, as I said policy changes especially for the economy take YEARS to have a real effect.

 

And to think X-Pres Clinton had 3 I REPEAT 3 chances at having him picked up and taken care of but FAILED....

Wonder what he was doing when the calls came in...

 

savageyzf,

I think you're misinformed and confused on a lot of these issues.

Clinton does deserve fair credit for the economy during his terms. Even if the growth did begin before he took office, it would not have continued if the country did not have confidence in him.

Infidelity???? Clinton's married to a lesbian! What do you expect. I can't agree with his taste in women (especially the hillbilly with the big nose), but they sure do seem to like him. Are you jealous maybe?

Bush may have *****. He just doesn't have any brains. He cannot see the bigger picture. This idiot actually used the word "crusade" in a speach about the war on terrorism. Is it any wonder the majoirity of Muslims believe we are attacking them, not terrorism or Iraq?

Bush has such a task ahead of him because he lacks common sense. He was on vacation from the time he took office until September 11, 2001. He has also ignored what is going on here at home and instead gone off starting wars and talking tough so that he can't be held accountible for the poor state of our economy.

What do you mean by elected by the popular majority??? Gore had more votes overall than Bush did.

Gore=50,996,116 votes
Bush=50,456,169 votes

Clinton didn't run to Canada to avoid the draft either. He was at school in England. History has shown Vietnam was a bull**** war anyway and we should not have been there in the first place.

Whitewater? Whitewater turned out to be an overpriced witch hunt that you and I paid for.

How do you tie Clinton to Enron??? Enron's CEO, Ken Lay was Bush's largest campaign contributor. He manipulated the energy supplies while Californnian's were in the dark and paying record electrical bills. He also bankrupted the company he ran and in the process completely wiped out the retirement funds of tens of thousands of his employees. You also see that nothing at all has happened to him. He still has million$ and does not face any jail time because Bush is protecting him. Bush helped make, Ken Lay an very wealthy man while he was Governor of Texas. His whole presidency is about doing favors to make his wealthy friends even wealthier.

Bush exagerated the WMD angle as an excuse to attack Iraq so that his buddies could make money refining the oil and rebuilding the country. It absolutely pisses me off the see that he used the lives of our soldiers so that he would look like a tough leader and his wealthy buddies could make even more money. The war with Iraq was nothing more than a distraction from Bush's failures and effort to make himself look like a strong leader. There would have been more effective ways of dealing with Saddam then sacrificing American soldiers.

If Bush would get automakers to use the more fuel efficent engine designs they already have, or find an alternative energy source, these God damn Muslim fundimentalists wouldn't have any money to fund their terrorist attacks in the first place. By attacking Iraq, Bush has even managed to convince S. Korea that we are more of a threat to them than N. Korea. Only Bush, with his tunnel vision could manage that one.

My view of tax cuts: Cutting taxes for the truely wealthy may be just, but it will do nothing at all for our economy. If someone already has millions of dollars, giving them even more in tax cuts will just pad their bank accounts. They don't change their spending habits because they already had enough money for everything they ever wanted before the tax cuts.

On the other hand, you give another $500.00 a month to someone making $3000.00-$4000.00 a month, they will spend that money right away.

What really drives our economy is people like you and I, the average American consumer spending money on everyday items like cars, clothes, toys, dinners out, vacations, building and renovating homes in the suburbs. Buying million dollar boats and vacationing in Europe does not drive out economy.

Our next President will not be a Rebublican either. The party will have to choose, Bush and there is no way he'll be reelected. He has nothing at all to run on. Not a single significant accomplishment. The economy is ****. We don't feel safe. He can't stop terrorism and he can't even speak English. With his record, I'm willing to bet that about 2 months before the election, he will start another war; Most likely with North Korea so that we feel we need to stand behind our President in a time of crisis.

I have looked for ways to support Bush's actions. But, I just don't see him as a competent President or worthy leader. He may be better than Gore, but that doesn't say much either.

 

It wouldn’t matter if people had confidence in Clinton or not the Reagan economy would have continued to move as it did because people had confidence in the ECONOMY, that is one thing that moves the economy and makes it grow NOT a president.


Actually he has more brains then Clinton could ever dream of. You see President Bush is looking at the BIG picture in the Middle East. Until the countries are reformed and under some type of democratic run governments there will always be problems. A lot of Muslims are thankful for what President Bush has done and for his foresight into ACTUALLY acting on a problem, unlike Clinton just trying to RUSH a peace agreement to make him self look good in the future. Clinton worried WAY to much over polls where Bush could give a sh*t about polls. You see REAL leaders like Bush do NOT need polls to tell them how to lead.

Wow, really he was on vacation that long? News to me. Anyhow you are right and wrong. Bush does have a HUGE task ahead of him, not because he lacks common sense as did Clinton, but rather he is in office to take care of 8 years plus on neglect on the Middle East. He has NOT ignored what has happen at home. Yes he is a GREAT man but not God, so chill a bit, Due to 8 years of neglect of the economy by Clinton, then 9/11 etc things are moving pretty good. We are already getting ourselves out of the Cliton recession.

You would be correct, as far as I know he did not go to Canada to scream at the top of his lungs about how screwed up America is, he flew all the way to RUSSIA, a cold war enemy of America at the time and did it on their land. That sure is a real man huh? It does NOT matter what history shows us about Vietnam, Clinton proved he was not a Leader when he did what he did, I mean damn the ol’ boy can’t even inhale correctly…

Really? As did the rest of the world including EVERY member of the UN. He used the life’s of our soldiers to HELP secure FREEDOM for this generation and many more to come by STOPPING someone that WOULD have supplied his WMD to terriost groups around the world. There was no distraction for Bush, after 9/11 he PROVED he was a very strong leader. More effective ways to deal with Saddam? Please provide some thoughts on that, it is so easy for people to say “well he could of done it different” really, then come forward with your plans? Please do NOT tell me another 8 years with a gutless democrat in office to sit around and “wish upon a star” for something magical to happen.

Why is that on Bush’s shoulders? Why were there not people like you crying about that for 8 years of the gutless boy wonder? Time to back off that tried and failed whining, If it was so important why wasn’t Algore doing something about it? To busy taking land away form Americans for the liberals to use as they see fit. Fuel efficient vehicles are not a problem of President Bush, he has only been in a few years, he is busy taking care of the economy that Clinton left behind, and busy insuring some peace and stability for America, the fuel efficient can WAIT, hell if we keep going the way we are we may just OWN all of the Middle East…

Cutting taxes for ALL Americans including the rich helps the economy. Who are you to tell someone how much money they can make? Lets say your making $50,000 a year and your neighbor is making $20,000 why do you not give your neighbor $15,000 of your money that way you both even, right? Ahhhhh, now you get it, of course your not going to give your neighbor $15,000 of your money you want someone else to do it for you. Sorry not going to happen. Just so you know it is the RICH that make or break the economy. Without their capital, without their investments there would be nothing to buy for us not so rich folks that makes the economy move along.

RICH is a very good word, it provides work for people so we can all, IF WE CHOOSE to, to make a nice living…

I have no problem giving someone back that pays taxes money, someone making $3,000 – $4,000 a month PAY’s taxes. I do NOT want those that do NOT pay taxes, like those that make under $25,000 I believe getting a WELFARE check but calling it a tax rebate.

Yes in a way people like all of us drive the economy, but first you have to have one to drive. Without all those NASTY RICH PEOPLE you would have no economy to drive. Look at the Middle Eastern countries and then get back to me. You want to sale little brooms on the street corner?

Boy are you going to be pissed off come 2004 when President Bush is reelected BIG time…

 

Looks like I have one requirment to be President

 

 

it's hard to give consideration to anything you have to say, when you cannot spell the President of the United States name correctly, or something

 

 

yo rhino,


i was just being sarcastic! lol