I guess I'm just not smart enought to figure all this out.

Mr. Bush is about to turn Iraq into a crator, and the terror alert is high in North America?



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They have a war to sell.

 

Ashcroft & Ridge explained it quite well during their press conference. If this post is truly seeking information, I suggest you can find your answers at any number of sources on the internet. If the poster is intending to bash G. W. Bush and the war on terror,

There is evidence of increased activity and communications between members of Al Queda (sp?).

In case you had not noticed, these terrorists groups hate western ways and values, and they would like to kill us off. They use terror and murder in an effort to bring down our society and culture. These people would like to see you and your loved ones dead, and they are still active, waiting for their opportunity.

Luckily, many of us see the wisdom in self defense and preparedness.

Also, if the threat level were not raised and there were to be a terrorist attack on our soil, the media would blame the deaths on President Bush, Ashcroft and Ridge for not warning us in advance. So when they think there is going to be an attack, they raise the threat level. Simple, really.

Finally, Bush and our military would like to force a regime change in Iraq. We will go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. If you think the enemy would give us the same courtesy, you are wrong.

 

dirt bike dave:

You said:
We will go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. If you think the enemy would give us the same courtesy, you are wrong.
Do you mean like in Nagasaki and Hiroshima?


Here's one for everyone, I thought it was pretty funny,

George W. is curious about his popularity among the American youth, so he goes and visits a school. He holds a short speech and then asks the kids if they would like to ask some questions.

Bob raises his hand and says: I have 3 questions for you:

1. How were you able to win the elections even when you didn't have the majority of votes?
2. Why do you want to attack Iraq without valid proof?
3. Do you think, just like me, that the bomb on Hiroshima was the biggest terrorist act of the last century?

At that instant the recess bell sounds and the kids rush out for the break.

A quarter of an hour later everybody is in the room again and again George W. asks if the children have some questions.

Ellie raises her hand and says: I have 5 questions for you:

1. How were you able to win the elections even when you didn't have the majority of votes?
2. Why do you want to attack Iraq without valid proof?
3. Do you think, just like me, that the bomb on Hiroshima was the biggest terrorist act of the last century?
4. Why was the recess bell 20 minutes early?
5. Where is Bob?

 

Ahhh, the old A-bomb example.

Use of atomic weapons brought an end to the bloodiest confilct in human history. The alternative was an invasion of the Japanese homeland. Given the tenacity of the Japanese, it should be quite obvious that an invasion would have resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans as well as untold amounts of Japanese.

While you can sit on your moral high horse 57 years later, the truth is the use of atomic force to end the war (which we did not start, BTW) was widely supported, and the Democrat president Truman was hailed for making this decision.

Bush won the election. Deal with it.

Iraq is in defiance of UN resolutions and has not presented evidence, as required, of the disposal of their weapons.

If you trust Saddam more than you trust G. W. Bush, I feel sorry for you. But you are not going to distract my president from protecting my nation and winning the war against terror.

As far as G. W. Bush's intelligence, his enemies are not above lieing about him to belittle him and increase their own power. They did the same thing with another great American, Ronald Reagan.

 

dirt:

The fact that it is an old example doesn't change the fact that it was the biggest act of terrorism in human history. Discussing who started it reminds me of my students when I break up a fight, they always respond with "he started it" The point is more along the lines of who used it

B.T.W., Israel has been in violation of U.N. resolutions for years and what's more, their actions are financed by the U.S.

Moreover, attacking Iraq because of its affiliation with Al Qaeda is laughable. The U.S. funded Al Qaeda in the early 90's (against Russia F.Y.I.) and is now attacking countries tied to them? Please.

I have never once said that I trust Saddam, you perpetuate very black and white perspectives vis. with us or against us, which is total hogwash. However, I raise Nagasaki and Hiroshima to prove a simple point, namely, that niether care about civilian losses.

So, what then is the threat to the U.S.? Don't tell me Al Qaeda, becuase the individuals responsible for 9.11 were from Saudi Arabia. Why aren't we attacking them then? I'll tell you why, because the U.S. and Suadi have a nice little financial relationship with each other. The Saudi's invest literally Billions into the U.S. economy (which b.t.w. was yanked after 9.11 due to fear of American retalliation, wreaking havoc on the American dollar)

and finally.....

I can sit very high on my (as you so called it) moral high horse, thank you very much, so long as I believe in peace.

 

Dont EVEN give a BS crap statement about the A Bomb being terror. Id drop it 100000000000 times to save hundreds of thousands of American lives. You sit up there and whine and cry all you want. You and the germans and the French can all hang out together, but dont you DARE claim a victory, say the world is safer after Sadaam and his terror supoorting *** is gone, which is porecisley what people liek you will do after the US takes the action needed to protect itself. Atleast your better half in the UK still have *****. And I hate to tell you this peace boy, nothing ever signifigant in world history has ever been settled by peace. Just ask Chamberlin during his appeasment of Hitler in the name of Peace.

 

Swofford:

uh, yeah... that made sense

heres' a suggeestions, try speellcheeker on compewter. pEace boy, me make joke....ug.....

 

So let me get this straight ..... Japan was at the tables talking peace with the USA , with no aggressive tones whatsoever and Japan bombs Pearl Harbor killing thousands of people . Destroys about a hundred of ships all the while sitting talking peace. This is not deemed as the greatest terrorist act of all time???? We were already at war when THE bombs were dropped (oh yeah you probably think it was only a Hollywood stunt so we would have a reason to go to war).Don't think they would not have done the same if they developed it first.

At what school do you teach your your drivel ? Crack High ???

Appearantly your Phd. only stands for Piled Higher & Deeper. If you ever got that far.

 

Practice what you preach.....

because the U.S. and Suadi

American retalliation

 

canyonslicker

my Phd? the school that I teach at? Of what relevance would that be? Insulting someone during an discussion simply reveals a lost argument or an immature person. I don't think that most of the others reading this would feel the same way (at least I hope not). Our opinions might differ, but we usually end up "agreeing to disagree", unlike you who hurls insults like a child.

bravo, you nailed two typos.
At least what I say makes sense.

regardless..... I'm through.
Go argue with yourself in the mirror, you might win

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If you think this is the sole reason we are in Iraq, you watch to much CNN.

Not to flame you and your points are valid but I believe there is a hidden agenda about what the true nature of our little buildup over there is. 3 letter word, begins with an O.

And because of how the election went down in 2000. it left somewhat of a taste of deception in me.

Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the
time and to its government when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain

 

So what I say makes no sense about the Japanese ?

You are implying that if Japan never attacked the USA and we developed the A-bomb that we would have dropped it on them as a terrorist act.

Quote "Discussing who started it reminds me of my students when I break up a fight, they always respond with "he started it" The point is more along the lines of who used it "

Quote "Moreover, attacking Iraq because of its affiliation with Al Qaeda is laughable. "

Saddam's support of Al Qaeda is like a criminal pointing a gun at you. He has not hurt YOU yet . So YOU have a few choices here...

YOU just ignore him and hope he doesn't pull the trigger.

YOU hope that law enforcement spots him and then talks to try to disarm him. When that fails... YOU just tell the cops to go away ??? I don't think YOU would do that. I wouldn't...

I hope they would give him an ulimatum. Disarm or else suffer the consequences. At this point he tells the cops that his gun has no bullets but he still points the gun at YOU. At this point YOU tell the cops just go away because the gun isn't loaded, he said so. I wouldn't...

I hope they don't believe him and act out their ultimatum. Shoot and kill the criminal pointing his (unloaded??) gun at me. In the aftermath YOU probably will say the poor soul didn't deserve. I will say, think of all the poor souls we saved by ridding the world of this criminal.

You can speculate the causes all you want but at the end of the day would you want to still be YOU ?

 

This describes you to a T.

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame31.html

 

Yep, what he said.