Superchip Flashpaq vs. Diablo Predator
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Roger that! Def. getting this instead of the Gryphon. Just gotta wait for that deployment money to start flowing in! lol
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'07 F150 FX4 with 5.4 and duals and I use a Superchips Flashpaq 1865 tuner and I'm just pleased as peach with it. Cost was reasonablle, it performs as advertised, no "custom tunes", but then I'm not waiting months for them.
Transmission has great shifts now, not long drawnout affairs like before. Better power, better response, and I get best mileage on the 87 performance tune that allows up to 6K towing. Out on the road, it'll top 20 mpg. I also can use a 93 octane heavy tow tune if needed or a 93 octane performance tune that allows no towing. Looked at the numbers, the 87 makes within a couple HP of the 93 tune.
Lots of choices out there. For $350 I'm pleased, and for a bit more I can use this same tuner to tune two covered vehicles at once now. It'll also do data logging.
Transmission has great shifts now, not long drawnout affairs like before. Better power, better response, and I get best mileage on the 87 performance tune that allows up to 6K towing. Out on the road, it'll top 20 mpg. I also can use a 93 octane heavy tow tune if needed or a 93 octane performance tune that allows no towing. Looked at the numbers, the 87 makes within a couple HP of the 93 tune.
Lots of choices out there. For $350 I'm pleased, and for a bit more I can use this same tuner to tune two covered vehicles at once now. It'll also do data logging.
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'07 F150 FX4 with 5.4 and duals and I use a Superchips Flashpaq 1865 tuner and I'm just pleased as peach with it. Cost was reasonablle, it performs as advertised, no "custom tunes", but then I'm not waiting months for them.
Transmission has great shifts now, not long drawnout affairs like before. Better power, better response, and I get best mileage on the 87 performance tune that allows up to 6K towing. Out on the road, it'll top 20 mpg. I also can use a 93 octane heavy tow tune if needed or a 93 octane performance tune that allows no towing. Looked at the numbers, the 87 makes within a couple HP of the 93 tune.
Lots of choices out there. For $350 I'm pleased, and for a bit more I can use this same tuner to tune two covered vehicles at once now. It'll also do
data logging.
Transmission has great shifts now, not long drawnout affairs like before. Better power, better response, and I get best mileage on the 87 performance tune that allows up to 6K towing. Out on the road, it'll top 20 mpg. I also can use a 93 octane heavy tow tune if needed or a 93 octane performance tune that allows no towing. Looked at the numbers, the 87 makes within a couple HP of the 93 tune.
Lots of choices out there. For $350 I'm pleased, and for a bit more I can use this same tuner to tune two covered vehicles at once now. It'll also do
data logging.
In fairness to some of the newer folks who may be reading this - Some perspective - I'm not debating you - and I'm not interested in changing yer mind or criticising yer choice - okay?
An 87 per tune that also allows 6K towing is going to be a compromise tune. A true, optimized perf tune will ether allow No towing or a very minimal amount ( ~2K). For exampel - the STOCK tune is the very definition of a compromise tune.
An 87 perf tune will ( or certainly should) be completely eclipsed by a 93 perf tune if done correctly - it's a lot more than a couple HP - ( is that the mfg's 'numbers' - not independently measured? If so, I advise a large dose of skepi.tisim)
As for wait times - LESS than 24 hour turnaround for VMP's custom tuning - ask me how I know.
As for cost - $379-$399 for an X3, WITH 3 custom tunes included ( see wait times above).
As for datalogging - that's all well and good, but who is going to interpret and review yer datalogs and correct any tuning deficiencies if required - not Superchips. So - what is the point? VMP's tunes come with free data review and tuning corrections as part of the deal (as do TP's). Can a Flashpaq natively log wideband data inputs? I do not believe so - that is crucial for comprehensive, complete and meaningful logging.
As for bottom-line perf differences - true custom tuning, done correctly with a full 7-digit strategy match ( unlike generic canned tune files) WILL offer significantly, demonstrably more gains - and even better granular transission control. Even on a largely stock truck. Again - ask me how I know.
Wait times - moot - price difference - essentially a wash ( we are talking about $30-$50). So - unless you absolutely need it the SAME day, there is little to recommend a $350 canned device when a custom device is a day or two or three away. I'll not get into the dead-end the canned device represents if you are ever going toreally mod the truck.
As for the "2-vehicle at the same time functionality" - that IS cool. Not much to counter that ( save Sniper, or some specific arrangement with a custom tuning shop).
Make no mistake- I am indeed glad you are happy - I just wanted to fill in some things that may have been left unsaid or incorrectly inferred/assumed.
MGD
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As for datalogging - that's all well and good, but who is going to interpret and review yer datalogs and correct any tuning deficiencies if required - not Superchips. So - what is the point? VMP's tunes come with free data review and tuning corrections as part of the deal (as do TP's). Can a Flashpaq natively log wideband data inputs? I do not believe so - that is crucial for comprehensive, complete and meaningful logging.
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No arguing here MGDfan, different folks look for different things. I just intended to give one view from the perspective of a happy Superchips Flashpaq owner.
I always enjoy your posts, I often learn from them, but I don't mind a little compromise at this stage for my purpose.
later ....
I always enjoy your posts, I often learn from them, but I don't mind a little compromise at this stage for my purpose.
later ....
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I'm new to the whole tuner/programmer thing. I have an '08 FX2 5.4. How is the Superchip Flashpaq installed? I know the Edge Evo is mounted to the vehicle. When I checked the Superchip website, it didn't explain installation. Can someone please tell me how the Flashpaq is used? Thx
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I'm new to the whole tuner/programmer thing. I have an '08 FX2 5.4. How is the Superchip Flashpaq installed? I know the Edge Evo is mounted to the vehicle. When I checked the Superchip website, it didn't explain installation. Can someone please tell me how the Flashpaq is used? Thx
https://www.superchips.com/#pn=onlin...alog&vfid=1035
http://superchipsflashpaq.wordpress....nd-user-guide/
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I'm new to the whole tuner/programmer thing. I have an '08 FX2 5.4. How is the Superchip Flashpaq installed? I know the Edge Evo is mounted to the vehicle. When I checked the Superchip website, it didn't explain installation. Can someone please tell me how the Flashpaq is used? Thx
Second, make sure you have a good battery with a good charge and all accessories are turned off.
Then with NO key in ignition (that way, it has to be off), plug into OBD-II terminal under dash, it will power up, and when it tells you to do something via screen prompts, just do it.
It will offer you choices of tunes. It will save the stock tune file for reuse.
When done, if not using other features like gages or data logging, etc .... unhook it and put in the box. I keep mine in a case in the house and anytime I take the truck out I take it with me ...just in case it's needed.
If it doesn't power up, check fuses in truck's fuse box.
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Shouldn't be an issue with the tune being loaded.
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First, read short booklet and check for updates by hooking it to internet with the supplied USB cable through a PC.
Second, make sure you have a good battery with a good charge and all accessories are turned off.
Then with NO key in ignition (that way, it has to be off), plug into OBD-II terminal under dash, it will power up, and when it tells you to do something via screen prompts, just do it.
It will offer you choices of tunes. It will save the stock tune file for reuse.
When done, if not using other features like gages or data logging, etc .... unhook it and put in the box. I keep mine in a case in the house and anytime I take the truck out I take it with me ...just in case it's needed.
If it doesn't power up, check fuses in truck's fuse box.
Second, make sure you have a good battery with a good charge and all accessories are turned off.
Then with NO key in ignition (that way, it has to be off), plug into OBD-II terminal under dash, it will power up, and when it tells you to do something via screen prompts, just do it.
It will offer you choices of tunes. It will save the stock tune file for reuse.
When done, if not using other features like gages or data logging, etc .... unhook it and put in the box. I keep mine in a case in the house and anytime I take the truck out I take it with me ...just in case it's needed.
If it doesn't power up, check fuses in truck's fuse box.
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Sure .... the SC FP will work just fine with an otherwise stock truck .... it's how they test and get their advertised numbers.
superchips.com/forum/index has more info, Troyers Perf who sponsors this forum also has info on their site.
superchips.com/forum/index has more info, Troyers Perf who sponsors this forum also has info on their site.
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All right, I'm gonna ask..... How do u know? (as per the part where you say As for wait times - LESS than 24 hour turnaround for VMP's custom tuning - ask me how I know.) I would have P.M.'d but MGD has disabled the function. Too many of us PITA asking dumb questions I guess. 
MDG, I'm also a lil curious about what ya got in your own personal vehicle? Nothing in yer Garage, nothin in yer Sig, Any chance you're running an STC X3 yourself?
MDG, I'm also a lil curious about what ya got in your own personal vehicle? Nothing in yer Garage, nothin in yer Sig, Any chance you're running an STC X3 yourself?
In fairness to some of the newer folks who may be reading this - Some perspective - I'm not debating you - and I'm not interested in changing yer mind or criticising yer choice - okay?
An 87 per tune that also allows 6K towing is going to be a compromise tune. A true, optimized perf tune will ether allow No towing or a very minimal amount ( ~2K). For exampel - the STOCK tune is the very definition of a compromise tune.
An 87 perf tune will ( or certainly should) be completely eclipsed by a 93 perf tune if done correctly - it's a lot more than a couple HP - ( is that the mfg's 'numbers' - not independently measured? If so, I advise a large dose of skepi.tisim)
As for wait times - LESS than 24 hour turnaround for VMP's custom tuning - ask me how I know.
As for cost - $379-$399 for an X3, WITH 3 custom tunes included ( see wait times above).
As for datalogging - that's all well and good, but who is going to interpret and review yer datalogs and correct any tuning deficiencies if required - not Superchips. So - what is the point? VMP's tunes come with free data review and tuning corrections as part of the deal (as do TP's). Can a Flashpaq natively log wideband data inputs? I do not believe so - that is crucial for comprehensive, complete and meaningful logging.
As for bottom-line perf differences - true custom tuning, done correctly with a full 7-digit strategy match ( unlike generic canned tune files) WILL offer significantly, demonstrably more gains - and even better granular transission control. Even on a largely stock truck. Again - ask me how I know.
Wait times - moot - price difference - essentially a wash ( we are talking about $30-$50). So - unless you absolutely need it the SAME day, there is little to recommend a $350 canned device when a custom device is a day or two or three away. I'll not get into the dead-end the canned device represents if you are ever going toreally mod the truck.
As for the "2-vehicle at the same time functionality" - that IS cool. Not much to counter that ( save Sniper, or some specific arrangement with a custom tuning shop).
Make no mistake- I am indeed glad you are happy - I just wanted to fill in some things that may have been left unsaid or incorrectly inferred/assumed.
MGD
An 87 per tune that also allows 6K towing is going to be a compromise tune. A true, optimized perf tune will ether allow No towing or a very minimal amount ( ~2K). For exampel - the STOCK tune is the very definition of a compromise tune.
An 87 perf tune will ( or certainly should) be completely eclipsed by a 93 perf tune if done correctly - it's a lot more than a couple HP - ( is that the mfg's 'numbers' - not independently measured? If so, I advise a large dose of skepi.tisim)
As for wait times - LESS than 24 hour turnaround for VMP's custom tuning - ask me how I know.
As for cost - $379-$399 for an X3, WITH 3 custom tunes included ( see wait times above).
As for datalogging - that's all well and good, but who is going to interpret and review yer datalogs and correct any tuning deficiencies if required - not Superchips. So - what is the point? VMP's tunes come with free data review and tuning corrections as part of the deal (as do TP's). Can a Flashpaq natively log wideband data inputs? I do not believe so - that is crucial for comprehensive, complete and meaningful logging.
As for bottom-line perf differences - true custom tuning, done correctly with a full 7-digit strategy match ( unlike generic canned tune files) WILL offer significantly, demonstrably more gains - and even better granular transission control. Even on a largely stock truck. Again - ask me how I know.
Wait times - moot - price difference - essentially a wash ( we are talking about $30-$50). So - unless you absolutely need it the SAME day, there is little to recommend a $350 canned device when a custom device is a day or two or three away. I'll not get into the dead-end the canned device represents if you are ever going toreally mod the truck.
As for the "2-vehicle at the same time functionality" - that IS cool. Not much to counter that ( save Sniper, or some specific arrangement with a custom tuning shop).
Make no mistake- I am indeed glad you are happy - I just wanted to fill in some things that may have been left unsaid or incorrectly inferred/assumed.
MGD
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