I looked at their webpage, Bill. It's pretty well done. Nothing "garish", seems a straighforward display of test results that show the product delivers.

One thing that is interesting is the price. The device for my truck, a 2005 F150 is $195. This is not the typical price you see for an "atomizer" or a "miracle fuel combustion improver" thingy. No $69.99 prices here.

Part of me wants to believe it and the other part says, "No way"! How can an "insert" in the gas line do what they say it does?

I guess I have to fall back on my, "If the product REALLY delivers, wouldn't the vehicle manufacturers have already put them in to help satisfy Government regulations and make their vehicles more attractive to the buying public"? The cost is not prohibitive, is it?

I dunno, what do the rest of you on this forum think?

- Jack

 

Jack, I'm with you 100% on that. Here's the thing, though. I get the same questions about tuning. "If a programmer can pick up (insert number here) HP and fuel economy, why doesn't the manufacturer make them that way in the first place?" My only reasoning is as follows...

1) It's no secret that the automotive industry has either squashed creative ideas or have stolen them right from the inventors. I'm not going to get into great detail, but there are more than enough documented cases to confirm such actions. 2 cases in point:

- The Tucker 48 (or Torpedo, as known during development) was effectively killed by American automakers. Why? Popular reasoning was that it was too advanced and that it would have seriously hurt the financial backbone of the major automakers at the time.

- The Automatic Delay Wiper control was invented by Robert Kearns in 1962 and was presented to Ford in 1963. Subsequently, Ford claimed they invented it and filed the patents on the device, leading to a long and bitter legal dispute.

2) As far as tuning goes, manufacturers have to be a bit conservative given the WIDELY VARYING quality of fuel available. In most cases they have to tune for the poorest quality of fuel commercially available. Emissions plays a small part as well, but after years of testing we've found that we can improve performance and not sacrifice emissions quality.

Now there are some things that just make common sense as to whether they work or not, or that at least whether they can come close to meeting the advertised claims. $69.00 resistors that claim 50 HP and 15 MPG is simply ridiculous. As for $195.00 fuel modifications? I can't speak knowledgeably about that subject because (a) I've never tested one and (b) I don't know enough about chemistry to say whether the device would work or not. Can it come close to the gains they claim? Maybe. Certainly a heck of a lot closer than the 50 HP resistor anyway.

I'm no different that any of you guys. I want to see it to believe it. If it does what it says, that's cool. If not, then it doesn't and I don't buy it or recommend it. Easy enough.

 

well i recieved it as a gift and installed it about the end of august or so. I didnt really see if it did much or not.

what i should do is take it off and see if anything changes. I think i could have possibly gained about .5-1 mpg from it but as for how it is supposed to boost the octane i have no way of telling that

 

Probably, the company would be miles ahead if they "gave" these things to folks like Bill, Mike and Justin for "user" tests and reports. I would tend to trust the recommendation of any of these guys, especially if they didn't then end up selling the things.

Failing that, a report from the Mechanical Engineering Department of any "respected" university would be acceptable too. Certain schools, like MIT, Ga Tech, University of Arizona (had to throw that one in there), Cal Tech, and other "Name" universities qualify.

But, it bothers me that the testing seems to have been done by some lab I've never heard of. Or, is it that I'm just ignorant? :o

From the picture, it looks to be about the size of a fuel filter. From the description, it seems to alter the chemistry of the fuel as it passes through it, and in so doing, increases its octane rating. From the little I know about chemistry, this seems a pretty magical thing to do.

I remain skeptical.

- Jack

 

Hey thats okay, I completely understand, i ordered a few days before it but thats okay, I was the one with so many questions and about how I only knew which two tunes I wanted and didn't know what to get for the third one. I believe i got the 87 eco and 87 perf

 

edge..

same thing happended to me, ordered it 3 days before their new pricing and then i just saw the holiday sale pricing!

honestly it would be nice to get then $100 back but thats life and at least i know that its going to good people that if i ever have a problem will be there to help


now if they were some other company, that didnt post on forums and werent nice. i might try to go commando and get the money back

 

haha yeah I know, just wish I had waited til now, even the new holiday deal is awesome, but oh well. You are right. Still can't wait for my custom tunes

 

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