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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by i.ride.suzuki
Ok, so say i have strat file TEJF4P5 in my truck right now. A new update is out: TEJF4P2. The dealer hooks up to IDS, flashes PCM. I now have TEJF4P2 in my truck and TEJF4P5 on the device. I now have a locked flash device because when i try and right back to stock, i can't because the stat. files are not the same. Or if i did write back to stock i would need new tunes because of the same instance.

TEJF4P2=TEJF4P2

TEJF4P5=TEJF4P5

Ok ok, so when the dealer reflashes it, they change your strategy code, NOT just the 4 digit PCM code?
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartak1
Ok ok, so when the dealer reflashes it, they change your strategy code, NOT just the 4 digit PCM code?
I always said you wuz a right smart l'il whippersnapper, boy!

Dat sumbitch 4 digit code don't never change ... nosirree.....


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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mgp32
So you can go to any other ford dealer for warranty work?
Why, a' course ya cain! This ain't Russia - Lordy ya got a thick one, boy!



 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 06:30 PM
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I just called my local dealership and asked about it. They only do it when there is a problem that pops up in "Oasis" apparently a system they use. But all you gtta do is tell them and they will not jack with it. So says the service manager at Gullo Ford.
yea oasis is a program they use that runs VIN#s to see if there are any TSB's or Recalls etc, also gives any previous work done on the vehicle. kinda like a carfax report
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman03SprCrw
yea oasis is a program they use that runs VIN#s to see if there are any TSB's or Recalls etc, also gives any previous work done on the vehicle. kinda like a carfax report
Yep.

And iffin' ya got a Troyer Performance sticker on yer rear window ( good fer ~10rwhp, lol), they's got a JPEG of that thang stored as well.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
I always said you wuz a right smart l'il whippersnapper, boy!

Dat sumbitch 4 digit code don't never change ... nosirree.....


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So, the tuners that customize only on the 4 digit code do not need to be rewritten if there is a reflash? That sounds about right.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hitched_Gibson
So, the tuners that customize only on the 4 digit code do not need to be rewritten if there is a reflash? That sounds about right.
No, hitch - the PCM 'box' code - the 4 digit one, stays the same for the life of the PCM. It can, however, contain many strategy revisions from the original one as-shipped. Refer to Suzook's post above to reiterate the potential effects of a reflash.


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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
No, hitch - the PCM 'box' code - the 4 digit one, stays the same for the life of the PCM. It can, however, contain many strategy revisions from the original one as-shipped. Refer to Suzook's post above to reiterate the potential effects of a reflash.
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I read that post. Maybe I'm just out of it. 430 am in Kuwait. Troyer tunes based on the 7-digit strategy code. VMP uses ony the 4-digit box code. That being said, along with the 4-digit code not changing, one would think you would not need reprogrammed.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
Why, a' course ya cain! This ain't Russia - Lordy ya got a thick one, boy!



Well before you all start rippin' on me why don't ya hear me out. This is my first new nehicle...infact this is the first Brand new vehicle I have ever seen bought in my family and including my friends. So I have no idea how this warranty stuff works.

So let me ask this again...and yes I am seriously asking this because I dont know. I can bring it in to any Ford dealership and they will do warranty work on it no questions asked even though i didnt purchase the truck from them? Because I guy on here mentioned something about a different dealer trying to sell him an Edge so obviously they dont mind tunes...I might have to hook up with them.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hitched_Gibson
I read that post. Maybe I'm just out of it. 430 am in Kuwait. Troyer tunes based on the 7-digit strategy code. VMP uses ony the 4-digit box code. That being said, along with the 4-digit code not changing, one would think you would not need reprogrammed.
Yer almost there - this has been covered before by Justin and MT as well - dealers can derive the strategy code from the box code in most cases. It's only in the case of uncertainty that a strategy read will be requested to ensure the correct 7 digit code is captured ... e.g if the PCM was reflashed to a newer strategy that was not originally in the list of currently known codes - remember - new ones come out all the time.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:15 PM
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LOL .. MGDFan are you going to give it up on this young grasshoper yet?
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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LOL .. MGDFan are you going to give it up on this young grasshoper yet?
I'll wait for the email from JS. Thanks
 

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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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Here's the excerpt, hitch:

Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor
One last point on this issue of whether a 4-digit catchword (what come call a box code or a "computer code) actually identifies the full 7-digit strategy in tuning software - no, it does NOT always do that. There are in fact error in tuning software databases, as well as in Ford databases that do this, we have seen this numerous times. Another point as any truly experienced F-150 tuner would know, just for example, is that the ODAL1 strategy family is found in lot OF 2001 thru 2003 4.2 V6 F-150's, 4.6 V8 F-150's, and 5.4 F-150's!! So it is obviously NOT true that you can get a no-start or other problems only on the 2004 & newer F-150 from using something less than a full 7-digit strategy match.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMX113
LOL .. MGDFan are you going to give it up on this young grasshoper yet?

Nope - as you well know, I am a stubborn, ornery, implacable old sumbitch


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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 11:17 PM
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Nope - as you well know, I am a stubborn, ornery, implacable old sumbitch
but didnt you give up on me sticking to my but connectors
 
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