After reading over this thread several times I am under the impression that maybe you should not purchase either as you refuse to accept what many here have offered in regards to your questions. And that no matter what anyone offers, or which ever one you would purchase, you would not be satisfied after doing so.
There have been several before that have asked for comparison dyno sheets to be posted and it was clear after reading thier requests that many of them could not interpet them, nor fully understand what they were looking at.
Not saying that you are in that category, but I personally suspect you may be. Good luck in your search...Its a shame you will not accept what has been offered to you.

 

Couldn't agree more. You can cover so much more information on the phone compared to a message board setting anyway.

 

I am not in that category. As a hobby I race motorcycles and have prob been faster on that than 99% of people on here have been in a car or truck. But I am certainly not a tuner. I can however interpret a dyno curve.

What makes you think I don't already have one?

I have searched and didn't find good charts. I found some that appeared incorrect and others pointed that out as well. If you know of one, I'd appreciate the link.

 

If you already have one you are just being an a$$.

Everyone has given you valid answers to your questions. You clearly have an alterior motive.

 

I doubt very much that you have either one.
As for speed, I spent 6 years tuning an NHRA Alcohol Funny car ( was crew chief), and even had the opportunity to get a little seat time in it. Therefore I have a little speed related knowledge..
I have spent a considerable amount of time working with and for Mike over the past year or so and have been to every dyno session he has sponsored in the past three years, so I have a considerable amount of knowledge as to what tuning device provides what.
I speak solely for myself and my opinions are solely that, MINE. Mike can and will speak for himself if and when ready in response to this thread....

 

No I don't think so. Nobody has given me the answer to the one question I asked. I do not have an XCal2 and and doing my own research. Your response seems rather immature. You can ignore this and move on if you like, no gun to your head here....


You guys crack me up. And by the way, I DO appreciate your being polite in your response. I really am just trying to got a copy of a dyno chart....I have said nothing about what I do or don't have for tuners in any previous posts. You guys have no idea who I am and I don't know who you are....which is why I would appreciate the data I am requesting. Your racing experience sounds like fun (and certainly seems like much more than mine). But I can at least read a dyno chart.... Again, Appreciate the professionalism in the response.

I really have no motive other than in my first post. Talking to someone will not suffice unless they can email or fax me the chart or numerical info. Although it seems that earlier on Mike was a little more free with the hp numbers (see above post). Mike is probably a good guy and probably has a good product...but that's not my question. Thanks.

 

Then get on the horn. You'll never know until you ask. A phone conversation is a much more efficient way to acquire this type of information BTW. That is unless you're too timid to pick up the phone.

 

Very good possibility...

 

Just call Mike. He has all of the answers to your questions. Simple.

 

If that's truly the case or not, just write down all of the possible questions you would have for TP, give them a call and ask them, and take notes on how the staff answers your questions. Who knows, you may be able to help some other curious patron down the line.

 

Iowa, please stop trying to call me out here and then try to make negative inferences when I do not come running.

First, I am NOT here at your personal beck & call - I don't work for you, I do not answer to you, and frankly, I don't have a lot of respect for your tactics as displayed in this thread.

Second -I respond to threads roughly in the order they were posted, as I get time - not that it's any of your business. This is easily detected by anyone who pays any attention to the pattern of posts & has the intelligence of roughly a 9 year old.

Third - I have ALREADY responded to this same topic in yet another thread, which you have apparently already read and decided to come back here to this thread to complain about.

Sheesh!

By the way - your claim that you have been "faster than 99% of the people here" I find to be inaccurate & presumptive. You may not know much about the people here - you'd be surprised at how many have been over the 200 mph mark, including myself and a couple other people who have responded in this one thread alone that I happen to know of.

It's very simple in life - You want something? Go get it! Don't sit typing out demands that others deliver it to you and then say nasty things when people don't come running. You want a dyno plot for a product? Go to the manufacturer and ask for it.

You want a dyno plot of MY custom tuning? Call our phone number below, BE POLITE when you place an order for our custom tuning, and then provide the data to finalize it as per the instructions we send you and then take your vehicle to a dyno so you can see what the final result is - or better yet, as I told you in the other thread, come here to our next dyno day which is just around the corner and come see what we do for your truck in person. We do all the datalogging & finalizing of our custom tuning during our dyno days so you can see just what your truck made.

It's also a great opportunity to meet a lot of NICE people from F-150 Online and other places - and I'd be more than happy to meet you in person, have a nice discussion, go over some of the info you seem to want, etc. You'd find we're pretty nice when people are nice to us, and there are few things in life I enjoy better than getting a chance to actually speak to people who have a genuine thirst for performance-related knowledge about these trucks - this also gives me an opportunity to teach them some things about how much these vehicles vary in stock trim and thus how much they vary modified, about the differences in dynos, techniques, etc., all of which add up to the fact that dyno plots from different sources, different dynos, etc., don't mean much.

The only thing that shows really conclusive data of the kind you want is a session in which you take multiple identical vehicles and dyno them stock, then dyno them with off the shelf tuning products, and then dyno them with our custom tuning, all on the same day on the same dyno.

Ah, but wait - we did EXACTLY that not too long ago, and talked at length about all of the results right here, with some of the very same people in this same thread who were there. And as everyone who was there knows all too well, it was no contest! We made FAR more safe & sustainable power than any off the shelf product could hope to - but then we have specialized in custom tuning these trucks far longer than anyone else - which is why other chipmakers, manufacturers & OEMS come to us to ask for help in developing their products.

Perhaps if you come to our dyno day you'll get a chance to meet some of the people who were there to see that (like Marc, who talks about that in this thread), and have a good time seeing just what can (and cannot) be done.

I hope this helps you a bit with some perspective (and I really do NOT mean to be rude, truly!) & please feel free to call us, OK?

 

Hey if you were closer I'd certainly be up for a look see so I am stuck here in Iowa.

Am I "calling you out"? Hardly Mike. Just looking for the info like you said and figured you had it and that some others may have it as well. I don't think that info is proprietary, if I did, I would never ask. And if you don't feel like providing that's fine, figured there plenty of folks on here who you have as customers that seem to tinker with their trucks more than I who would have the info. If not, I won't die over it. Its just an ole Ford truck.

I have chosen not to respond to the remainder of your post, not worth it. I posted in response to your other response to which you replied with more information and less personal attack. I appreciate that response. have a nice day.