Don't think he is trying to screw me over. Just looking to see if someone has this info... Mike seems to post at night so maybe he can respond in the forum with the info?

 

Thanks for the response. I MAY add an intake in the future but then again I may not. I would not do any other mods. The Edge does sound good from the feedback on the forum. But the XCal2 has great reviews also. So I'm just trying to figure if any extra cost will be worth it...to me.

Like said above, Peak HP gains are just marketing hype to me as I understand that 99% of my driving is in the mid/low end of the rpm range.

 

If you aren't worried about performance, then don't dump your money into a tuner. You wouldn't buy a corvette just to drive the kids to and from school ya know?

- NCSU

 

Performance means diff things to diff people. That's why I am just looking for the hard data. Thanks.

 

The XCAL2 and Mike's programming will be better than the Edge. There is no question there.
Only you can decide if the extra cost is worth it to you. We cannot answer that question for you. You would be surprised how much extra it actually costs with your f150online member discount. Call Mike for your actual cost and to answer any further questions. He sells both products.

 

Ok here is a subjective point of view for you which might make things a bit clearer.

Ford OEM computer programing. - Due to gov. regulations on emissions, alot of peoples wanting to see the almight XXmpg on the window, and the fact that though all the motors and trannys are built the same each one IS different. So leaving the simple stuff out of the process Ford has to come up with a program that will work on EVERY truck that it goes into. Given that the assymbly line has a "margin of error" before a part is deemed out of spec your engine could have tighter or looser clearances than the one built right after it, your motor could put out +/- 10hp against the one right next to it etc. So with that in mind Ford makes what I like to call a "Safe For All" program.

Off the shelf - These tunes still have to live with the fact that two of the same engines could have differences which make one able to handle a bit more aggressive tune and one not able to handle it. So they bump up a few perameters based on R&D and testing but they still can't push it too far. They also have the ability to throw the MPG out of the window and push the edge on the emissions. KEEP IN MIND WHAT I AM REFERING TO AS AN OFF THE SHELF IS ANY MAIL ORDER TUNE, I DON'T CARE IF CHRIS JOHNSON OF SCT MADE IT FOR YOU IF HE DIDN'T DO IT WITH THE CAR ON A DYNO IN FRONT OF HIM IT IS STILL MAIL ORDER.

Custom tune - Put THE car to be tuned on a dyno, datalog and monitor it, adjusting parameters as you go. This is where its at. You will be getting a tune for your car, not a tune that has worked in every car still leaving a margin of error to be safe. Tuning on the dyno will yeild more hp/tq than any mail order will do because of the fact that you are watching as you adjust so you can keep pushing up the timming, adding fuel, ect until you get to a point where there is no more to be had. For example the tune on my car has timming above 5K in the 26-27deg range. My car handles it just fine, I have seen other cars with the same motor and identical mods that can't get it hold 24deg without wanting to act up. So by tunning MY car on the dyno I was able to get more timming added. Had it been a mail order it might have had less timming to keep the tune safe for anyone, or worst case lets say I had the car that couldn't hold more than 24deg and the tune I was mailed put 27deg in. I got in and went to the track with it like that...could be a bad deal.

 

I saw Mike responded to ther posts in this forum but did not here...disappointing

 

For a custom tune, such as the Xcal 2, you must put your truck on a dyno, datalog and wait for a custom tune to be made for you. For me and others who want a plug and play application without the hassle of the dyno the Edge Evo is the way to go. You will get better results from the Xcal 2, but its like this; I drag race for fun, but I do not race my truck nor am i trying to get another tenth of a second out of it on the quarter mile. I want improved performance, gas mileage as well as the cool gauges. The Edge Evo has definetly made my truck more powerful along with my exhaust and intake...If i was looking for that extra 10hp to squeeze out of my truck, then i would go with the Xcal 2, not bashing it, those that supply it or those that use it. Just my two cents.

In the future if you do decide to go to a dyno you can adjust your Edge's timing a few other functions to make it more custom to your truck. Also you can download the Edge updates right off their website and onto your programmer.

 

You do not HAVE to datalog or dyno your truck if you choose the XCal2.
Some do, some don't. Its that simple...

 

Before I was S/C I had a Hypertec Programmer .
I know I was going to get the S/C so I ordered the XCalII from Mike with costume tune for my truck with the stuff I had at the time and with out a doubt it felt more responsive at all driving speeds ,But When I Took it to the race track it did the same time run after run switching from one to the other,but the feel of the XCalII was better and that sounds like what you want

 

And he most likely won't respond to this post, because he won't have anything new to post that he hasn't already posted several times before. For the kind of information you want to to know you need to pick up the phone and call to speak with him. It seems like you really don't want to do that though since you just keep posting over and over again in this thread... CALL HIM!

-Brian

 

It seems like he does not want to provide this information publicly and frankly that concerns me. He sounds like a gentleman and sounds knowledgeable (certainly much more than I), but I am the type that needs to see ths objective data. So talking to someone doesn't help unless I KNOW the person. So I figure if he doesn't have the info...one of the thousands of people who have this must have done this dyno comparison.

Its a pretty simple question but yet nobody has the answer,so far. Just seems odd to me. Any other website where I have a vehicle and ask this, I get loads of hard data. Just figured it would be the same here. Just a lot of "trust me" and "it works great" which I appreciate the feedback on people subjective opinions. But dones't answer the one question I had. Thats all.

 

The information provided is only as good as the paper it is put on. Seems to me you want information from people you don't even know on this site so how can you trust it? I can make you a graph and slap it on here and how would you know if it was real? Mike Troyer will answer any question you have so give him a call.

Kevin

 

Thanks for all the responses. I keep doing some digging for my own benefit and found this from a while back:

If this is a stock truck that is very impressive. On the Troyer site it says the Superships gets abotu 30 hp at the wheels. Of course I can't tell if these number are peak/,max or what. But looks like a 10+ hp more with the Xcals2??? over the Superchips and both are significantly better than stock.

 

Is there some reason why you do not want to call and talk to him in person for all of this information? I guarantee you that he will have an answer for any question that you throw at him. He sells all of these different products so he will give you honest answers on each of them. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here I just want you to be able to get answers to your questions in the quickest possible way and that is to get on the phone with him. I promise you after you talk to him you will be posting again about how well he was able to answer all of your questions and provide you with all of the information you are wanting....

-Brian