Originally Posted by MGDfan

Hi.

You get what you pay for....

Save your money until you can afford a custom tuned Xcal2 (or Livewire, next year).

If you buy some generic 'el-cheapo' or 'canned' tuner, you will most likely regret it later on....

Originally Posted by Silverfish

If you do not dattalog the Xcal II wouldn't that be a canned tune?

Originally Posted by Silverfish

If you want to squeeze out every ounce of performance then get a Xcall II.

Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor

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First - in terms of which tuner to go with, it's a matter of what you are looking for - if you just want *some* improvement and don't care about getting the best driveability or the best performance & power gains, then you can use an off the shelf type of device like the Edge - we carry them in stock as well, and will meet or beat any legitimate dealer's price on them.

However, most people, especially with these heavy trucks, are really concerned with getting the best *results* - and for that, you'd want to go with or Troyer Performance tuning loaded into the XCalibrator 2 - you will get significantly more performance improvement, better driveability, better shift characteristics, and a far more thorough tune, because it's *custom* tuned - it's not "canned" - meaning the same tunes for everyone like the off the shelf types of devices all deliver - when we do our tuning, we do a set of 3 custom tunes set up for the needs & preferences of each individual vehicle owner - and we go into far more depth in the PCM's programming. In fact, we have done tuning for a couple of major manufacturers and are just now in the process of negotiating with another chipmaker to do some tuning for them on these vehicles - this is due to our expertise, as we have specialized in this platform for 15 years now, far longer than anyone else, and are well known for our results.

Now one thing to give thought to is that if you want our custom tuning, that takes a few weeks to get done for you - but we also do not charge your credit card until we are actually shipping your product, and you get a much better tune that will really wake up your truck. You can see the many people here who use our product, and they tend to rave about it - but then this is what we do, specialize in Ford F-series performance....

Originally Posted by MoJoe

Second my opinion and experience with the Edge Evolution 93 octane tune.

I purchased like everyone else did and our only option was an off the shelf Edge unit which was completely new to the market. Even though I was happy with the Xcal2, I was drawn to the on screen display, and the fit/finish of the unit. With me towing I like having at minimum a transmission fluid temperature gauge and this had that and many more parameters that could be monitored to boot. I figured the worst case scenario was the tune would be mediocre and that I could always use it for monitoring purposes while keeping the Xcal2 unit. The box arrived from a vendor mentioned here many times that had the unit for $345 I believe shipped to my door. I received the unit within 7 business days and right off the bat loaded the latest firmware and updates for the Edge unit from their website. After 5 minutes time I was setting up the pod and installing the Edge in my truck. I removed the Troyer tune a few days before I received the Edge to be ready (man I was missing my tune). After a 10 minute install from start to finish including running the cable and setting the pod up I was now Edge tuned. Again I started off with normal driving for my initial test and a few more after that to follow. Right away I felt the difference from stock to tuned once again, pretty much the same impression was given as the Xcal2 had for the out of the box feel. After a few drives I notice a difference in the transmission, an improved difference. It felt stronger than before at a comparable RPM and MPH range than it had with the Xcal2 in all 4 gears. This was after making a few changes to correct tire size (per GPS) and adjusting the timing, shifting times and shifting pressure slightly. I did not notice the difference until I began to go up inclines and around town driving (please do not forget I did not datalog or have any changes made to my Xcal2 after my purchase, which could have fixed any issues that I was now made aware of). As more time with the Edge went by, and the gauges grew on me quickly, I began to lean towards the Edge for my personal choice as a tuner. I was and still am pleased with my choice as it fits my wants and needs slightly better than the Troyer Xcal2 did. Performance feels the same and I personally could not be happier. Edge service like Troyer’s is great and very responsive. Never have I personally dealt with a “CANNED” tuner that actually works problems out with their customers and seems to care about issue. You normally only find that with custom tuners.


My personal outlook and firm believe on this entire tuning subject goes as follows. If I were tuning a forced induction, or a semi-radical to fully built vehicle that would require a custom tune and one on one dyno testing, etc., I would go with a custom tuner. Since mine is a daily driver and far from modified in my book, the “CANNED” (I do NOT like the term canned ) Edge unit in this case fits my needs by offering everything I was looking for, including vital monitoring capabilities. It just ended up being a thought free decision on my part. Many of you will view this differently, but I am 100% correct in saying these are my true un-biased reviews and experiences in a short review, and I am happy with my choice, which in the end is all that matters to me.

Originally Posted by MGDfan

Hi.

GB - this isn't a debate, it's just freely expressed opinions & personal preferences, among folks who respectfully agree to disagree.

Bubba

Originally Posted by Ford1394

You can get the edge for about 300 shipped.