I had to do it....!!!!! Ordered XCal2
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Originally Posted by F150Truck'in
Airdrop, I ordered XCal2 from Mike a couple days myself, I have a Edge, been playing with it for 6 weeks and still don't no idea what i'm doing with the setting in it....the only way I know to check the setting is on a dyno, if I have to spend money on a dyno... its going to be Mike's dyno, with Mike's tunes...Done deal, done right....I've only talked to Mike one time of over an hour and from reading many post on here from Mike, also the many people on here highly recommending Mike, I completely trust my trucks well being to him.... 
I thought it was really easy, and easily adjustable.
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Originally Posted by Red05stx
Whats so hard with the settings?
I thought it was really easy, and easily adjustable.
I thought it was really easy, and easily adjustable.
XCal2 and an hour of dyno time, two at the most, done deal... Plus you have to remember I live very close to Mike...so its no problem getting to his dyno.
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It's not that adjusting the settings is difficult, I just don't kow what effect each setting would have. If I change one thing, how does it affect everything else? I don't have access to a Dyno so I have no way of knowing if I'm getting all I can get out of it, or if I'm creating a situation that might cause damage to my truck. Nor do I live near someone who has experience with this.
I know, I know, I'm making this a bit more complicated than it should be.
I know, I know, I'm making this a bit more complicated than it should be.
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Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor
That's just it - the PCM (in these vehicles, and any other vehicle that uses narrow band O2's, which is 99% of all vehicles) couldn't possibly have any idea of a lean or rich condition in open loop, as the PCM doesn't get any data from the O2's for the use of A/F ratio feedback control in O/L. 
Remember, these vehicles use narrow band O2 sensors, which is why the further away from stoich A/F they get (which is 14.64:1 for "straight" gasoline - I.E., no oxygenated fuels, gasohol, or other type of fuel), the less accurate they are - closed loop operation exists so the PCM is always correcting to stoich A/F based on the upstream O2 sensor output.
Also - it is a complete myth that you get a check engine (or service engine soon, etc.) light for a lean or rich condition anyway - that is another myth.
The only time you get the engine-related MIL is when the emissions exceed 150% of allowable limits for that particular vehicle - and *only* then will a check engine or SES light illuminate.
Now that could happen *due to* a rich or lean condition, but it has to be rich or lean enough to cause emissions to exceed the allowable limit by more than 50% - so the light will never illuminate just because of a lean or rich condition - it only lights up when emissions exceed the allowable limit by more than 50% - I.E. emissions have to be at 151% or greater for the CE to illuminate. Which can be due to a lean or rich condition, catalytic converter problems, or any of 100's of other reasons.
Remember, these vehicles use narrow band O2 sensors, which is why the further away from stoich A/F they get (which is 14.64:1 for "straight" gasoline - I.E., no oxygenated fuels, gasohol, or other type of fuel), the less accurate they are - closed loop operation exists so the PCM is always correcting to stoich A/F based on the upstream O2 sensor output.
Also - it is a complete myth that you get a check engine (or service engine soon, etc.) light for a lean or rich condition anyway - that is another myth.
The only time you get the engine-related MIL is when the emissions exceed 150% of allowable limits for that particular vehicle - and *only* then will a check engine or SES light illuminate.
Now that could happen *due to* a rich or lean condition, but it has to be rich or lean enough to cause emissions to exceed the allowable limit by more than 50% - so the light will never illuminate just because of a lean or rich condition - it only lights up when emissions exceed the allowable limit by more than 50% - I.E. emissions have to be at 151% or greater for the CE to illuminate. Which can be due to a lean or rich condition, catalytic converter problems, or any of 100's of other reasons.
. But i do have a question regarding the above statement. On my EEC4 car, there are Lean EGO at WOT error codes (see code 43 in the link below). I'm "fairly" positive, it triggered my CE light. So the older cars do take that feedback and store the error code. Did Ford abandon that strategy (at least on the F150)? Or can you get an lean error code and not trigger the CE light?http://www.tccoa.com/articles/misc/EEC4.html
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Originally Posted by F150Truck'in
I'm going to order a Xcal2 from Mike....May keep the EDGE for the gauges, but i'm just not a happy camper about all these updates from EDGE...
Thanks Mike for your time going over the shift levels with me......
Tim
Thanks Mike for your time going over the shift levels with me......
Tim
F15o, if you want to sell your edge, shoot me an email. I have a friend that might be interested in it.
dimitrios66@aol.com
thanks.
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Hi Gobra,
That never worked well, as virtually everyone knows - and no longer exists **in practical terms**, though not in absolute terms.
This can be argued ad nauseam, but the plain and simple fact remains - nothing has changed. The fact is, the further you get from stoich, the further off the narrow-band O2 sensor is, end of story.
That never worked well, as virtually everyone knows - and no longer exists **in practical terms**, though not in absolute terms.
This can be argued ad nauseam, but the plain and simple fact remains - nothing has changed. The fact is, the further you get from stoich, the further off the narrow-band O2 sensor is, end of story.
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Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor
Hi Gobra,
That never worked well, as virtually everyone knows - and no longer exists **in practical terms**, though not in absolute terms.
This can be argued ad nauseam, but the plain and simple fact remains - nothing has changed. The fact is, the further you get from stoich, the further off the narrow-band O2 sensor is, end of story.
That never worked well, as virtually everyone knows - and no longer exists **in practical terms**, though not in absolute terms.
This can be argued ad nauseam, but the plain and simple fact remains - nothing has changed. The fact is, the further you get from stoich, the further off the narrow-band O2 sensor is, end of story.
. Go ahead and get the wide band and then you will have something...My point was that i knew my eec4 car had an error code for rich/lean condition and my 9 year newer truck didnt.?? I would think it "would" be of use in the event of a semi-plugged fuel filter, injector stuck open, or something along those lines. I guess they have other strategies to account for these events. Thanks for not taking my post the wrong way..
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As screwed up as the newer f150's come from the factory to the dealer and finally to the customer, FoMoCo needs to get its head out of its butt and do what's right for the customers and have an F/A ratio gage on the trucks and actually ensure these vehicles are road ready! My 2005 5.4L XLT ran with no cahones at all from the dealer. It's wheel alignment was horrible - it went to the right like a gas station was always on the side of the road. the dealer half-assed it when I took it in and did a paperwork drill but the alignment was hosed.
They need some adult leadership at Ford and Ford dealers. My foot would be finding some butts if I was in a QA position. Heaven knows there's enough complaints on the web to create an encyclopedia.
It's totally absurd to pay big money for a vehicle and find it runs like crap. Dealer Preparation - that's when they break out the vaseline! It has nothing to do with the vehicle you are buying!
They need some adult leadership at Ford and Ford dealers. My foot would be finding some butts if I was in a QA position. Heaven knows there's enough complaints on the web to create an encyclopedia.
It's totally absurd to pay big money for a vehicle and find it runs like crap. Dealer Preparation - that's when they break out the vaseline! It has nothing to do with the vehicle you are buying!