I'm going to order a Xcal2 from Mike....May keep the EDGE for the gauges, but i'm just not a happy camper about all these updates from EDGE...

Thanks Mike for your time going over the shift levels with me......

Tim

 

Agreed, you think they [edge] could get it right the first time and not 10 times later. The display is the only highlight of the edge, but hopefully SCT comes out with a nice one for us.

 

Just finished filling out 8 pages of info on my truck, now thats whats i'm talking about "custom tunes for MY TRUCK"
The only thing the EDGE vendor wanted to know was, Credit Card Info...

Don't get me wrong, I like the EDGE and I have had NO problem with it, I just think it was served raw, before it was done cooking, and they keep kicking it back in the pan to cook a little more, sooner or later it will be done.....

I have a lot of money and time in mods on my truck (as most everyone on here) I'm always going to wonder it this EDGE is hurting my truck, fuel lean or rich, trans shift pressure and so on....I would rather order a tuner, install it, datalog it, fine tune it.... then I don't have the wonder.....All I have to do is DRIVE THE PI$$ OUT OF IT.....

anyway thats my 2 cents....

 

Since your in Virginia F150Truck'in, maybe you can make it to one of the Dyno Days (Weekends) at the new Troyer Shop...

 

Hi Marc
Planning on it, already talked to Mike about fine tuning on a Dyno weekend...
I'm only a few hours away....see ya there...maybe the next one if my tunes are ready before then.....

Tim

 

Glad you have the $$ to do that.... Dyno it and let us know what the differences are... I'm betting you can tune safely with the edge and make comparable or better power numbers to the custom tune. Please let us know your impressions of the Edge vs the Xcal2 (provided of course, you tune some with the Edge as well).

 

Mike really does a great job of explaining everything. I talked to him for about 2 hours one night and he really knows his stuff. He's gained my respect! When the time comes, in a couple of years to get a new truck i'll be heading his way for tuning and more advice. But for now I'll enjoy my first truck and my EDGE. I'm happy with it!

 

Now see, thats where the money come in to play that I don't have, I been playing with this tuner in custom level 2 and 3 from day one and i'm sure of one thing, I'm not a tuner, and without being on a dyno, you are guessing, and Bill agreed with that....

I fugure a haft day on a dyno and you MAY get right. Because I don'y know what I doing when I get there......Keep in mind a haft day at a dyno is going to be about a haft grand $500.00, Dyno around here $125.00 hour..you can only make so many pulls before the motor is heat soaked and will have to cool down....but that Dyno clock keeps ticking....

see i'm a bottom line man, i don't care whats in the middle, just the bottom line... for the money it may cost to tune this EDGE, I can buy a XCal2, Dyno it, tweek it and done deal.....Mike in most cases can spot a trunk on in an hour of Dyno time....Because he knows what he doing or at the very lease, a hell of a lot more than me....

That leaves me $375.00 for beer, I like Beer....

 

Just a quick question and not trying to start the whole Edge vs. Xcal2 thing, but what would make you think that having less access to the PCM could possibly allow you to safely make as much or more power?

 

We both know the answer to that. Theres no use of starting this.

 

Limited access means you have TWO parameters to change. And the only thing i would change is the WOT fuel. The rest is tuned by Edge and will be left alone. i know there are literally hundreds of parameters available with the xcal2. But when it comes right down to it, it all comes down to timing and fuel. That goes with the safety thing as well, safe A/F and no pinging. Fuel and timing..... If there is more than that, im not sure the gains will be substantial AND i dont want to screw with it....

 

There is way more to custom tuning than just WOT fuel and timing. Besides, how do you know what your A/F ratio is?

 

i know there is way more, but i have as much control over that as you do.
How do you know what your a/f ratio is? Same as me, Until you look at our trucks with the wideband (you have that right?), you DONT know. I have been around the dragstrip/cars all of my life so i know how to tweek them. I had one of the first Autologic chips burned by Chris Johnson (President of SCT) and i spent a great deal of time with him tuning my car learning different things. My point is the Edge puts you in the game and it gives you some flexibility to safely up the performance if you know what you are doing. and i do. I've picked up 30 rwhp by upping the timing 2 deg on my blown car. Will my truck respond the same? Hell no.
An Xcal2 puts you in the game as well. You datalog and the tuner makes the corrections if any are needed. With the edge, i make the corrections as i see fit. Is there a 20 hp difference or greater area under the curve between the two? I doubt it. 5 hp? Maybe. Until i get it on the dyno or wideband, i wont lean out the truck. Sorry for the long post...

 

Is there a big difference in the end user adjustable parameters between the two? I know if you get the PRP package like asinatra you get much, much more, but with just the Xcal2 and Edge........aren't the end user adjustable parameters similar? Just curious.

Also, I've asked before....but never got an answer.....can you monitor A?F ratio with the Xcal (without buying extra hardware)?

 

My point is with the Xcal2 you datalog and get the A/F ratios (either at the dyno or with a wideband monitor). You have to do the same with the Edge to know that your changes are safe. Then you have all the updates. You'd need to know what they changed and how that affects your custom changes before you'd know if you needed to check the A/Fs again. Sounds like a lot of trouble to me, even if the power levels were similar.