I was almost tempted not to respond to this nonsense, but then with enough of this character "exx's" posts, enough is enough.

In short, exx, you don't have a clue what you are talking about - plain and simple. Nobody else has the amount of tuning time/R&D that we have in this specific platform - period. We've specialized in the F-150 platform longer than anyone else - which is one of many reason why major chipmakers and other performance part manufacturers come to us for help with *their* products, by the way.

No, it most certainly is NOT true that a generic Superchips (of which we are the oldest WD in America, by the way, and have a very close relationship with that company and a number of good friends down there we think highly of) nor Hypertech's products deliver the kinds of power gains or performance improvements we do in these vehicles - and there are plenty of *legitimate* posts from members here who are here to exchange relevant and truthful info (instead of just nasty rudeness) who have actually tried each product, tested them back-to-back against ours, and have clearly posted just how much more improvement our tuning makes.

We are in our 15th years of specializing in this platform - longer than anyone else - "name" chipmakers simply cannot put the kind of time and R&D that we put into this specific platform, as they are busy making 1000's of different applications - where we concentrate the majority of our resources on this specific platform. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

Now to actually get to what this thread was supposed to actually be about, which was helping Devin4x4.....

Devin, I think it behooves you to simply take your time and do some research - if you do that, you will easily see a number of posts from people who have owned each product and have actually *tested* them - such as "watsonr" - or Phil Kanarkowski - or Marc Carpenter - or any of the many others who have actually done back-to-back testing and come back to rave about how our tuning and other modifications and the R&D we put in to determine just which manufacturer's products really do the best job on these vehicles are greatly appreciated and have helped them improve the performance of their vehicles better than they got elsewhere.

This is a very individual decision, and you should be able to take your time, do your research and make your decision without a lot of the nonsense that we have unfortunately seen in this thread.

We do actually carry the very same products that "exx" loves to rave about, so yo can get any of them from us!

However, if you want the *best* results, then you'll want to go with our Troyer Performance custom tuning - and all of those products are available at prices that are specially discounted for members of F-150 Online, that are not reflected on our web site - so I would suggest giving us a call at our number listed below when you get a chance. If you are just looking for cheap - we can do that for you - if you want the *best* - that's what we're known for, and what the vast majority of people here go with.

I wish you the best of luck whatever you decide, & thanks for dropping by!

 

I don’t have a lot of experience with the different brands of tuning products on the market. I can say that Predator, which is a flash programmer like the XCalibrator2 had a “generic” (if you want to call it that) program/tune for the Lightning when they came out.

Now, you would think a tune by experts, for a very specialized or unique truck (approx. 5,000 a year sold 97-04) would give you a great program.

Not the case, the “generic” program/tune blew up many Lightning’s because it was too aggressive.

In other words, since someone without much experience with “specific” vehicles developed it doesn’t always mean you get what you think you get.

If you want to be safe and get the best performance possible from a “specific” vehicle, such as the F150, then Mike is a great choice.

You get what you pay for, so even though you may save a few bucks up front it could cost you big time down the line should you harm your motor to a poorly developed “generic” tune.


Remember the old commercial:

”Pay a little now or pay a lot later…”


Disclaimer:

I have not bought any products from Mike as of this date but when the day comes I am ready to buy a programmer it will be an XCalibrator2 from Mike because of experience and safety…

 

Nonsense? How is my posting nonsense? Just because Im not all over you and your tuning? What Ive posted is nothing but legitamate and truthful information. I know exactly what Im talking about, just because I dont tune f150s? Ive been in the performance industry for a long time as well and the fact that a superchips 1745 or a hypertech will give you very similar if not almost identical results as the type of tune you are loading onto these xcals is a fact and if you try stating otherwise Im sorry but you are FULL of it mike. I mean I try to be honest with folks but as far as enough is enough yeah its enough for you and everyone else that claims this well lets put it to the test. If there is anyone near Southern California that has an xcal loaded with one of your tunes, and not an all out drag tune lets play fair lets get one of your 91 high perfromance tunes on a truck and we will match it against my truck with a superchips 91 high perfromance tune both on a neutral dyno as well as on a 1/8 mile track which is the only thing available on a weekly basis and see how they match up. Then we will look at the cost of the superchips module as well as the cost of the xcal tuned by you and we will see which product is better from a product review point of view.

p.s. if there is anyone near souther california that is up for this I will be paying for dyno runs as well as your entry fee at the track. hey cant beat that get a free dyno plot of your truck. although you may be a little dissapointed when you notice hey your results look jus like mine man, hey i paid alot more money for my tuning man whys yours look just like mine?

 

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Nope Im not fulla crap jpdidadeo.

 

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Maybe he dosen't where panties

 

I live in So cal and I would put Mike's tuning up against the standard tuning of the other stuff. It should be shipping anyday now.

Just from the reports of this board and the things that have been said by and about Mr Toyer, I don't think he would lie.

I have a bone stock 05 F150 5.4L SC. I expect that after Mr Troyer's tunes are loaded, you will change your tune (pun not intended).

 

Right on man, sweet, we will finally see just how much difference there is, if any at all. Im going to have to say that others will be the ones that are surprised as the difference will be minimal if any at all. And as far as "raving" about a product as you stated I like to do, um I think its you and your cronies that are doing the "raving" and if anyone here wants to argue that one they are either blind, cant read, or just being silly. high_lander, put an email addy in your profile where I can contact you at, or shoot me an email at the addy in my profile.

 

about freaking time someone does this....I give credit to you for spending your own money to prove your point instead of just posting who thinks there the "best"...the results will decide the outcome...and all the "wannabe's" can continue being oppinioted @#$%#% just like someone else on the forum

 

Hey now, this is what I want to see. Actual numbers between a specific octane tune from Superchips tuner, Xcal, and any other tuner/s out there.

Post actual increase numbers in hp and torque. I'd prefer to see the numbers from the same truck(stock would be best) running these tuners, but hey, we're getting closer.

Somebody take exx up on his challenge. I know I'd be interested in the results. Anyone else?

Joey

 

you better keep us updated. create a thread called "x tune vs x tune - real numbers" in caps.

 

My programer is the best and my dad can kick your dad's Azz

Seriously guys....all this BS for a tuner!?!?

I got the Xcal 2 from Troyer...I like it, they provide good customer service....pleasent to talk to....good enough for me. Am I claiming it's the best....NO and I don't give a Rats Azz. So man up and stop crying and arguing like some little girls....want to argue....get a wife

 

Hey Jersey;

I tend to agree with you - we don't need this turning into a grudge match.

However, having said that ... whatever I or anyone else thinks of exx's conduct, I must admit, in and of itself, his offer is commendable. I'm thinking driving skill on the 1320 is gonna make a difference, though. Also, hat's off to high_lander for picking up the gauntlet.

Lucky guy - I'm not allowed to argue with my wife - she buys me all my toys - including perf mods - I'd have as much chance winning as a neutron in a linear accelerator anyway

Hope someone takes and posts a video clip of those runs.

Testosterone is a wonderous thing, eh?

Cheers
Grog