Something for nothing?!? It doesn't work that way
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Triton46,
In all truth, you should only use a high enough octane fuel to avoid the engine from pinging or from suffering detonation. If your engine does not *reguire* premium fuel, you could actually lose hp and get lower fuel mileage to boot! The idea that higher octane could increase fouling is a result of the fact that higher octane fuel burns at a slower rate and if used in an engine thats not required to use it, could cause unburnt fuel to begine to foul the engine. It's all about tuning and how your engine is set up.
Todd
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93 F-150 4x2, 4.9L, E-4OD, 3.08 rearend, 31x10.5 BFG A/T's, Skyjacker Softride Hydro Shocks,K&N Airfilter, Jacobs Electronics Plug Wires/Rotor/Cap. (Other mods: Undecided!)
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In all truth, you should only use a high enough octane fuel to avoid the engine from pinging or from suffering detonation. If your engine does not *reguire* premium fuel, you could actually lose hp and get lower fuel mileage to boot! The idea that higher octane could increase fouling is a result of the fact that higher octane fuel burns at a slower rate and if used in an engine thats not required to use it, could cause unburnt fuel to begine to foul the engine. It's all about tuning and how your engine is set up.
Todd
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93 F-150 4x2, 4.9L, E-4OD, 3.08 rearend, 31x10.5 BFG A/T's, Skyjacker Softride Hydro Shocks,K&N Airfilter, Jacobs Electronics Plug Wires/Rotor/Cap. (Other mods: Undecided!)
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When I did the mods to my truck I did not expect something for nothing. I expected more horsepower and torque and I honestly expected gas mileage to go down. In my past most mods cost you money for the product and money for the more gas they used.
It just happened that the mods to my truck have resulted in a couple of tenths more miles per gallon...but, I realy don't care. I like the way it runs.
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97 F-150, 2WD, Reg Cab,Flareside,Dk Toreador Red, 4.6, 3.55 LS, EGR Bug Deflector, ******* Bed Cover, Bed Liner, XL Full Length Running Boards, Air Aid Kit, Gibson Single Out Cat Back, Superchips, TransGo Shift Kit, Hellwig Rear Sway Bar, Hellwig 2500# Overload Springs
It just happened that the mods to my truck have resulted in a couple of tenths more miles per gallon...but, I realy don't care. I like the way it runs.
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97 F-150, 2WD, Reg Cab,Flareside,Dk Toreador Red, 4.6, 3.55 LS, EGR Bug Deflector, ******* Bed Cover, Bed Liner, XL Full Length Running Boards, Air Aid Kit, Gibson Single Out Cat Back, Superchips, TransGo Shift Kit, Hellwig Rear Sway Bar, Hellwig 2500# Overload Springs
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Todd,
Yeah, thats what I hear but from what Ive seen 93 is the best for my truck and explorer. I do alot of long distance highway driving and ive tried 87, 89, and 93. I got the best horsepower and mileage on 93.
It is weird though, I always thought the higher octane the better the gas anyway. However, someone on the board got pinging and bad mpg on 93 and went down to 87...which solved his problem. I guess you never know.
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The Truck: 1997 Black F-150 Flareside. Regular Cab ORP and Towing Package
The Mods: K&N Filter, Eurolid Hard Tonneau and Ford Bug Deflector.
The Site:
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www.mindspring.com/~acbradley/index.html
Yeah, thats what I hear but from what Ive seen 93 is the best for my truck and explorer. I do alot of long distance highway driving and ive tried 87, 89, and 93. I got the best horsepower and mileage on 93.
It is weird though, I always thought the higher octane the better the gas anyway. However, someone on the board got pinging and bad mpg on 93 and went down to 87...which solved his problem. I guess you never know.
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The Truck: 1997 Black F-150 Flareside. Regular Cab ORP and Towing Package
The Mods: K&N Filter, Eurolid Hard Tonneau and Ford Bug Deflector.
The Site:
Triton's 4.6 Liter Web Page
www.mindspring.com/~acbradley/index.html
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I hope this is the last post I make to this thread. I just want to make some points clear:
1.) The Superchip does NOT, I repeat, does NOT, void your warranty, or any part of it. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prevents this, along with the fact that the Superchips does NOT overstress any component of these vehicles. It doesn't matter how many times someone comes here stirring up trouble by making some outlandish claim that they *KNOW* this, it simply is not true, and the vast majority of us here know this.
2.) Over 80% of our customers do in fact see an improvement in gas mileage, even though this is not something that was ever deliberately designed into the product, with the exception of the Powerstroke diesel. As many have heard me say often, it's a by-product of the optimized spark advance curves used on part-throttle in gasoline engines. If you go back and look at the fuel mileage threads from a few months ago, you will see *many* people who gave their results and feedback. On the V-8 F-150's, they are seeing anywhere from 1.5 to 3.5 more mpg. The V-6's are gaining typically 2-2.5 mpg. I don't mention this to argue, just reporting the facts as they have been posted right here on F150online, by the people who are using them *and* who are actually tracking their mileage carefully and accurately. It was also calculated by F150online members in those posts that in the worst case scenario, for those whose operating conditions, environments, etc. preclude any gain in fuel mileage, the additional cost is approximately $2-$3 per 1000 miles driven. It was also shown that the higher gas prices go, the more financial advantage the Superchip can give. It's also true that we have some members here who drive with a heavy right foot most of the time, and in those cases, don't count on seeing any mileage gain. I don't know of *anyone* who buys these 2 & 3-ton trucks for their gas mileage, but that's beside the point.
3.) I would like to thank all of you who have tried to point out the facts, and I sincerely appreciate all the support of our efforts here. Thank you!
4.) In this type of open Forum, you're always going to have to deal over and over with the same concerns, most of them quite legitimate, that people have when thinking about chipping their expensive late-model vehicle. We constantly have new members joining us, and they need to learn too, just like the rest of us who have been here for awhile. Meaning, the same basic questions get asked again and again, and that's OK, it's the nature of the beast. What *isn't* "OK", is to come on here making all manner of proclamations, accusations, etc., about things that you *don't* have any real specific knowledge of. What I'm trying to say here is please, ASK, don't attack. You'll get a much better response, and the message boards don't get clogged up with heated posts, and out Webmaster doesn't get PO'd having to lock out threads, etc. Steve has much better things to do with his time!
Our bests wishes to all for a happy, fun, & safe Labor Day weekend,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
1.) The Superchip does NOT, I repeat, does NOT, void your warranty, or any part of it. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prevents this, along with the fact that the Superchips does NOT overstress any component of these vehicles. It doesn't matter how many times someone comes here stirring up trouble by making some outlandish claim that they *KNOW* this, it simply is not true, and the vast majority of us here know this.
2.) Over 80% of our customers do in fact see an improvement in gas mileage, even though this is not something that was ever deliberately designed into the product, with the exception of the Powerstroke diesel. As many have heard me say often, it's a by-product of the optimized spark advance curves used on part-throttle in gasoline engines. If you go back and look at the fuel mileage threads from a few months ago, you will see *many* people who gave their results and feedback. On the V-8 F-150's, they are seeing anywhere from 1.5 to 3.5 more mpg. The V-6's are gaining typically 2-2.5 mpg. I don't mention this to argue, just reporting the facts as they have been posted right here on F150online, by the people who are using them *and* who are actually tracking their mileage carefully and accurately. It was also calculated by F150online members in those posts that in the worst case scenario, for those whose operating conditions, environments, etc. preclude any gain in fuel mileage, the additional cost is approximately $2-$3 per 1000 miles driven. It was also shown that the higher gas prices go, the more financial advantage the Superchip can give. It's also true that we have some members here who drive with a heavy right foot most of the time, and in those cases, don't count on seeing any mileage gain. I don't know of *anyone* who buys these 2 & 3-ton trucks for their gas mileage, but that's beside the point.
3.) I would like to thank all of you who have tried to point out the facts, and I sincerely appreciate all the support of our efforts here. Thank you!
4.) In this type of open Forum, you're always going to have to deal over and over with the same concerns, most of them quite legitimate, that people have when thinking about chipping their expensive late-model vehicle. We constantly have new members joining us, and they need to learn too, just like the rest of us who have been here for awhile. Meaning, the same basic questions get asked again and again, and that's OK, it's the nature of the beast. What *isn't* "OK", is to come on here making all manner of proclamations, accusations, etc., about things that you *don't* have any real specific knowledge of. What I'm trying to say here is please, ASK, don't attack. You'll get a much better response, and the message boards don't get clogged up with heated posts, and out Webmaster doesn't get PO'd having to lock out threads, etc. Steve has much better things to do with his time!
Our bests wishes to all for a happy, fun, & safe Labor Day weekend,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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birddogg,
I followed this thread with great interest and I have the following comments.
If the folks were a bit tough on you it might because you were a bit harsh on their pet modification. ( you are after all in the Computers section). Mike Troyer is revered here somewhat like a Demi-God. A perceived attack on him or Superchips might be considered blasphemes. ;-)
Some of your statements are true some are based on ignorance and some must be your own opinion. Your statements are welcome (by me if no one else). I am always searching for a different opinion for comparison basis. Please continue to post your own thoughts and do not let the crowd get you down. Every one has something to say and it deserves to be heard. We do not have to agree with it but it should be heard.
Kindest regards
Jean Marc Chartierr
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On Order: 99 F-150 XLT SC Flairside 4x4 4.6 w/5spd
using: Wife'S 99 Explorer till arrival
I followed this thread with great interest and I have the following comments.
If the folks were a bit tough on you it might because you were a bit harsh on their pet modification. ( you are after all in the Computers section). Mike Troyer is revered here somewhat like a Demi-God. A perceived attack on him or Superchips might be considered blasphemes. ;-)
Some of your statements are true some are based on ignorance and some must be your own opinion. Your statements are welcome (by me if no one else). I am always searching for a different opinion for comparison basis. Please continue to post your own thoughts and do not let the crowd get you down. Every one has something to say and it deserves to be heard. We do not have to agree with it but it should be heard.
Kindest regards
Jean Marc Chartierr
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Wow, now I'm a demi-God here? Steve Eppinger just might have something to say about that!
I/We are extremely lucky to have the sometimes rather vocal support of most of the members here, who can be quick to defend against perceived "attacks". We have tried to earn that support, and respect, by providing help in the way of answers, advice, information, etc. Trying to do our part to help, in other words.
We are very grateful to all of you who have shown your support, to say the very least.
Just remember that this is *your* web site, and it will always be a reflection of it's members. Whether that image is a positive one or a negative one is up to the people who post the messages, and of course the Webmaster. I am just another F150online member, trying to support the site as best we can. We have absolutely no influence over matters here at F150online, which is just as it should be, and Steve has always been very clear about that.
This is *your* web site, people. Make it what you will. Remember that many people read what you write here, far more "lurkers" than members read these posts, and take that information elsewhere. It makes us all look better when what is spread is factual & helpful, rather than riddled with vitriole, rumor, & innuendo posted as fact.
Overall, this is quite simply the best Ford-related site on the Internet. That says a lot about it's members, because it is the members who establish the general tone, and the quality of the content here on the message boards. The thousands of members here are some of the nicest people you could ask for, and have made this a great place to learn, hang out, & have fun.
Our bests to all,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
I/We are extremely lucky to have the sometimes rather vocal support of most of the members here, who can be quick to defend against perceived "attacks". We have tried to earn that support, and respect, by providing help in the way of answers, advice, information, etc. Trying to do our part to help, in other words.
We are very grateful to all of you who have shown your support, to say the very least.
Just remember that this is *your* web site, and it will always be a reflection of it's members. Whether that image is a positive one or a negative one is up to the people who post the messages, and of course the Webmaster. I am just another F150online member, trying to support the site as best we can. We have absolutely no influence over matters here at F150online, which is just as it should be, and Steve has always been very clear about that.
This is *your* web site, people. Make it what you will. Remember that many people read what you write here, far more "lurkers" than members read these posts, and take that information elsewhere. It makes us all look better when what is spread is factual & helpful, rather than riddled with vitriole, rumor, & innuendo posted as fact.
Overall, this is quite simply the best Ford-related site on the Internet. That says a lot about it's members, because it is the members who establish the general tone, and the quality of the content here on the message boards. The thousands of members here are some of the nicest people you could ask for, and have made this a great place to learn, hang out, & have fun.
Our bests to all,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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From: New Jersey
Mike,
I have followed this thread from the beginning. I will not add to it technically as there is no need.
Performance chips are not anything new. Some are not worth the postage to mail them but SuperChips is the exception. It has been documented, dynomometered, "1/4 miled" before and after installation and documented here beyond any reasonable doubt.
I guess it comes down to "we KNOW the gains, and we KNOW that we know it" and we "didn't get something for nothing." We PAID for the manufacture and research involved with producing a SuperChip. Simple as that, we paid a company to perform a service for us. If anyone comes here with the half-assed attitude and doesn't believe we received a service and product worth at least what we spent from Mike Troyer and SuperChips, tough s^#t!
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Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, leaky rear slider. Man, I got it all!
I have followed this thread from the beginning. I will not add to it technically as there is no need.
Performance chips are not anything new. Some are not worth the postage to mail them but SuperChips is the exception. It has been documented, dynomometered, "1/4 miled" before and after installation and documented here beyond any reasonable doubt.
I guess it comes down to "we KNOW the gains, and we KNOW that we know it" and we "didn't get something for nothing." We PAID for the manufacture and research involved with producing a SuperChip. Simple as that, we paid a company to perform a service for us. If anyone comes here with the half-assed attitude and doesn't believe we received a service and product worth at least what we spent from Mike Troyer and SuperChips, tough s^#t!
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Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, leaky rear slider. Man, I got it all!
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I would like to ask birddog one question. This is not meant to be an attack simply clearification. I am considering buying a Superchip, have talked with my service manager about it and he claims there will be no hassels over warranty. My question is when you calculated operating cost's with the chip as opposed to without you stated you were conservative with the additional cost of fuel, but did you consider any gains in fuel mileage? Again I am not attackong you or questioning you calculations, just wondering if you considered any mpg improvements.
Thanks Jeff
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1999 F150 Lariat
Reg cab Short box Styleside
5.4L 3.55ls
Deep Wedgwood Blue/Silver
Lund Interceptor hood shield, VentVisors, Class III hitch, Ford molded mud guards, soft tonneau, factory CD with changer (thanks Dusty), tinted windows
http://www.fortunecity.com/silversto...ton54home.html
Thanks Jeff
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1999 F150 Lariat
Reg cab Short box Styleside
5.4L 3.55ls
Deep Wedgwood Blue/Silver
Lund Interceptor hood shield, VentVisors, Class III hitch, Ford molded mud guards, soft tonneau, factory CD with changer (thanks Dusty), tinted windows
http://www.fortunecity.com/silversto...ton54home.html
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My question to everyone is this........How many of you are actually concerned about gas milage? And if so, why!? Just interested because as soon as I bought a full size truck, I stopped looking at my Texaco bill!!
Neal
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'94 F-150, 4.9 6cyl., K&N FIPK, Mangecor 8mm wires. Gibson 3" Side Swept, MSD Blaster Coil. Recently Superchipped! Stereo under construction, 2-10" Rockford Fosgate, 600 Watt Amp. Pioneer head unit, will sound great if it ever gets done! Est. 200 hp 300ft/lb. Torque! Not bad for a straight 6!! New project: '82 Stang, 351 Windsor. I'll keep ya posted.
Neal
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'94 F-150, 4.9 6cyl., K&N FIPK, Mangecor 8mm wires. Gibson 3" Side Swept, MSD Blaster Coil. Recently Superchipped! Stereo under construction, 2-10" Rockford Fosgate, 600 Watt Amp. Pioneer head unit, will sound great if it ever gets done! Est. 200 hp 300ft/lb. Torque! Not bad for a straight 6!! New project: '82 Stang, 351 Windsor. I'll keep ya posted.
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94 F-150,
I was not overly concerned with gas mileage when I wanted a new Ford F150. I knew exactly what the sacrifice would be as it was clearly stated on the MSRP sticker on the right window.
The window sticker was correct ........ if I wanted luxury and 20-30 mpg I would have bought another Buick Park Avenue.
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Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, leaky rear slider. Man, I got it all!
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I was not overly concerned with gas mileage when I wanted a new Ford F150. I knew exactly what the sacrifice would be as it was clearly stated on the MSRP sticker on the right window.
The window sticker was correct ........ if I wanted luxury and 20-30 mpg I would have bought another Buick Park Avenue.
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Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, leaky rear slider. Man, I got it all!
[This message has been edited by Dunbarton (edited 09-03-1999).]
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I'm sorry all, I cant keep my big mouth shut, I guess I'll post again.
On the mpg improvements, I didnt factor in any mileage improvements, because I thought the conservative prem. fuel price would probably accout for a 1-3 mpg improvement. I simply thought an average fill-up interval might be every eleven days (also a conservative 34 miles per day, i drive twice that and know some people who drive twice what I do, and half what i do) at 25 gals. per tank, $2.50 more per fillup times the five years. Very conservative when you take into accout your occational towing, city driving, trips, weekends, leadfoot,etc..., but also like I said "rough math".
Todd Adams was right about the increased engine fouling. And I was told by an ASE certified fuel systems specialist to "use the cheap stuff, the engine is designed (by law) to run on it and it wont foul up your injectors, 'etc..' as much." Retune the engine with something like new firmware and maybe this wouldn't be a problem.
Remove everything from your exhaust except your headers, drive around as you normally do, see how long your exhaust valves last. That is less restriction, a dramatic example, but the same theory holds true no matter how much you ease the restriction. I think this is due to extra heat the valves must dissapate. If you force,or allow, more air in on the intake stroke, combustion has not taken place so I dont know where the heat would come from for your intake valves to dissapate. I guess extra air might just help dissipate more heat from intake valves.
I simply thought I would offer a different point of view. I feel that my opinions, with some facts thrown in, and probably some errors (who's perfect? you can throw the first stone) have just as much right to be here as anyone's. I haven't seen anyone get bent out of shape when claims are made in the opposite way. I never got rude or vulgar in any way, unlike some that attacked me. I think someone who has a monetary interest in the sales of ANYTHING might just present a skewed viewpoint, nothing personal against anyone. I have no monetary interest if you buy anything. Like it or not, there are downsides to things as major as changing your vehicles operating code. Removing and inserting eproms in sockets is a delicate thing, which I would bet I have done more than anyone here. And no one turned me loose doing it after a brief explantion. I also know a little about writing code for eproms. I guess all my posts were riddled with vitriole, rumor, & innuendo posted as fact, and I really dont have any specific knowledge of anything (some would have you to believe). Hell, the king of England would have cut the heads off of our founding fathers if he could have for presenting their vitriole, rumor, & innuendo. And thanks to those who had some positive things to say. I'm not asking anyone not to buy a chip, or a filter or an exhaust or whatever.
Just pointing out some possible problems. I will continue to question things rather than just take everything that is written, advirtised, or posted as fact. This is a great board with room for both sides of things.
-Jerk who had a thought
On the mpg improvements, I didnt factor in any mileage improvements, because I thought the conservative prem. fuel price would probably accout for a 1-3 mpg improvement. I simply thought an average fill-up interval might be every eleven days (also a conservative 34 miles per day, i drive twice that and know some people who drive twice what I do, and half what i do) at 25 gals. per tank, $2.50 more per fillup times the five years. Very conservative when you take into accout your occational towing, city driving, trips, weekends, leadfoot,etc..., but also like I said "rough math".
Todd Adams was right about the increased engine fouling. And I was told by an ASE certified fuel systems specialist to "use the cheap stuff, the engine is designed (by law) to run on it and it wont foul up your injectors, 'etc..' as much." Retune the engine with something like new firmware and maybe this wouldn't be a problem.
Remove everything from your exhaust except your headers, drive around as you normally do, see how long your exhaust valves last. That is less restriction, a dramatic example, but the same theory holds true no matter how much you ease the restriction. I think this is due to extra heat the valves must dissapate. If you force,or allow, more air in on the intake stroke, combustion has not taken place so I dont know where the heat would come from for your intake valves to dissapate. I guess extra air might just help dissipate more heat from intake valves.
I simply thought I would offer a different point of view. I feel that my opinions, with some facts thrown in, and probably some errors (who's perfect? you can throw the first stone) have just as much right to be here as anyone's. I haven't seen anyone get bent out of shape when claims are made in the opposite way. I never got rude or vulgar in any way, unlike some that attacked me. I think someone who has a monetary interest in the sales of ANYTHING might just present a skewed viewpoint, nothing personal against anyone. I have no monetary interest if you buy anything. Like it or not, there are downsides to things as major as changing your vehicles operating code. Removing and inserting eproms in sockets is a delicate thing, which I would bet I have done more than anyone here. And no one turned me loose doing it after a brief explantion. I also know a little about writing code for eproms. I guess all my posts were riddled with vitriole, rumor, & innuendo posted as fact, and I really dont have any specific knowledge of anything (some would have you to believe). Hell, the king of England would have cut the heads off of our founding fathers if he could have for presenting their vitriole, rumor, & innuendo. And thanks to those who had some positive things to say. I'm not asking anyone not to buy a chip, or a filter or an exhaust or whatever.
Just pointing out some possible problems. I will continue to question things rather than just take everything that is written, advirtised, or posted as fact. This is a great board with room for both sides of things.
-Jerk who had a thought
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Birddog accomplished one thing...got to be a record number of posts in the shortest amount of time. Good job!
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1998 Fire Engine Red F150 Flareside Extended Cab with Snuglid 4.6L with Superchip, Airaid, Dual Flo-Pro exhaust system, etc.
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1998 Fire Engine Red F150 Flareside Extended Cab with Snuglid 4.6L with Superchip, Airaid, Dual Flo-Pro exhaust system, etc.
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My truck is modified for more power and the chip is really the right way to re-tune the engine to the new requirements of the engine. The F/A ratio is leaner in certain areas of operation and richer in others.
The chip is not necessary but it is nice to have. I do like to have the shift points moved up in the RPM range to fit the new torque curve.
Chris
The chip is not necessary but it is nice to have. I do like to have the shift points moved up in the RPM range to fit the new torque curve.
Chris
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OK guys,
Schools out. Let's find a new student to educate. Birddogg has got the point and has made amends.
NEXT VICTIM......
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1999 F250 SD CC, LWB, 5.4L, Auto, 4x4, Power TT mirrors w/ marker lights installed, White, Full Tint, PendaPro SR,
Flowmaster Delta 40 series, open airbox w/ K&N filtercharger.
Schools out. Let's find a new student to educate. Birddogg has got the point and has made amends.
NEXT VICTIM......
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1999 F250 SD CC, LWB, 5.4L, Auto, 4x4, Power TT mirrors w/ marker lights installed, White, Full Tint, PendaPro SR,
Flowmaster Delta 40 series, open airbox w/ K&N filtercharger.
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Birddog,
Since you have toned down your inquisitive questions and doubts I will tone down my responses. You did come on rather strongly at the beginning of this thread.
Did you know there are quite a few Ford dealers all over the country that specialize in performance add-ons including a SuperChip without any question as to warranty claims?
The SuperChip does not require any physical alterations to the original computer module, it simply plugs into the provided connection from the factory. A SuperChip does not exceed recommened factory parameters of your engine and transmission, it simply improves them while keeping everything within factory recommended limits. It is not any different than "tuning" older non-computerized vehicles by hand and timing light.
As far as improved gas mileage is concerned I cannot document this due to my "extreme" driving habits ....... short run, stop and go, failure to achieve engine operating temperatures, but improved mileage has been documented here by those who do a lot of open highway driving. Most are not concerned with gas mileage owning a pickup truck.
Is there a downside to a SuperChip? I don't know but there can be problematic downsides to owning any new vehicle right from the factory left to operate at factory settings. That's why they have service departments and that's why SuperChips also has a service department to set custom parameters for a particular vehicle and owner's request.
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Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, leaky rear slider. Man, I got it all!
Since you have toned down your inquisitive questions and doubts I will tone down my responses. You did come on rather strongly at the beginning of this thread.
Did you know there are quite a few Ford dealers all over the country that specialize in performance add-ons including a SuperChip without any question as to warranty claims?
The SuperChip does not require any physical alterations to the original computer module, it simply plugs into the provided connection from the factory. A SuperChip does not exceed recommened factory parameters of your engine and transmission, it simply improves them while keeping everything within factory recommended limits. It is not any different than "tuning" older non-computerized vehicles by hand and timing light.
As far as improved gas mileage is concerned I cannot document this due to my "extreme" driving habits ....... short run, stop and go, failure to achieve engine operating temperatures, but improved mileage has been documented here by those who do a lot of open highway driving. Most are not concerned with gas mileage owning a pickup truck.
Is there a downside to a SuperChip? I don't know but there can be problematic downsides to owning any new vehicle right from the factory left to operate at factory settings. That's why they have service departments and that's why SuperChips also has a service department to set custom parameters for a particular vehicle and owner's request.
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Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, leaky rear slider. Man, I got it all!