What Highway Runs Through NY,NY ???

 

I95 (AKA nyny),

I don't think he was "attacked" and Birddogg is entitled to his opinion, but before making a statement you should really read around and see what's really going on. When I first got to this site, I made a post without reading all the info and got some of the same responses. I deleted my post after I realized that it was worded in such a fashion that it was subject to some serious misinterpretation. (sent out some apologies as well). This is generally a forgiving group if you ask, but it's really all about not making a post without first getting all the facts. (Try to avoid foot in mouth)

Just my .02

Todd

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93 F-150 4x2, 4.9L, E-4OD, 3.08 rearend, 31x10.5 BFG A/T's, Skyjacker Softride Hydro Shocks,K&N Airfilter, Jacobs Electronics Plug Wires/Rotor/Cap. (Other mods: Undecided!)



[This message has been edited by Todd Adams (edited 09-02-1999).]

 

Todd,

The facts are Black and White, no ifs ands or buts. If, you have an aftermarket chip that is not authorized by Ford, your warranty
is null and voided.
That is the facts Sir.

What is this nyny stuff??????




[This message has been edited by I95 (edited 09-02-1999).]

 

I95:
I know I should not get into this, but you probably don't want to get into the nyny story. A lot of misunderstanding, misinterpretation and a little hurt.
I do believe you may be correct that a lot, perhaps many, Ford dealers may try to give an owner grief if they have modified their vehicle in any way. Further, it may be that Ford as a company will back any dealer who chooses to make an issue of aftermarket modifications.
I did note, and believe me, I'm not trying to evade the superchip issue, that you have modified both the exhaust and air intake system on your truck. As it is a '99 model, I assume you too are still within the warranty period. If you have the time, and it takes time, to research the various threads on this board regarding benefits/problems with modifying the two items you have done on your truck, I have the feeling you mightsee that you could face the same warranty problem as if you had superchipped
the truck. Maybe even more so as regards changing the air filter.
I am not saying you did wrong, anymore than I am saying someone does wrong by superchipping their vehicle. We are all trying to optimize our performance by adjusting out that which Ford decided to design/program/compromise in the vehicles design to meet their own internal objectives.
There is a great deal of protection offered manufacturers of aftermarket performance products and their customers in the current body of law regarding such things., but in the end, it probably comes down to the individual dealer and your use/abuse of the vehicle that will determing how your particular warranty status will be viewed.
Dang, did it again.
Bill Murray

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Bill Murray
Current year Lightning
Oxford Muy Rapido White
Tow Package CD Player
Superchip GTech Meter
HobbyTownUSA Graphics
Identical 1/10 Scale Tamiya RC Truck incl. graphics.
Truck interest e-mail:
fastwhitey@myf150.com
Two decals

 

Bill,

You are correct, it probably would fall under modification, however, I do not think it would be as bad as fooling with the Electronics of the Truck. Correct me, if,
I'm wrong.

 

Check the Magnussen-Moss Warranty Act. All they can do is give you a hard time, not void you're warranty. If they do they are breaking FEDERAL law and can be fined. Every manufacturer knows this but you can almost bet the dealerships don't. Game, Set, Match!

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'97 XLT Reg. Cab, 4.2V6, 5spd, Superchipped, K&N Air Filter, Lund Deflector, Dash Mat, MagnaFlow Muffler, Hellwig Rear Sway Bar, Edelbrock Shocks, Duraliner, Extang Saber Tonneau, Bell-Tech 2" Rear Drop, Amer. Rac. Atlas Wheels Clad in 275/60/17 Eagle GTII. Likes straightaways, loves twisties.

 

I95 & Frank:
We are all three correct I think.
I'm not sure which mod would be the most critical for Ford to deal with, but I do believe that any company that meets SEMA standards, which are recognized if not accepted by the manufacturers, would meet the criteria Frank mentions.
And, as Frank says, in this situation, the owner is guilty until proven innocent. I truly believe it is very dealer dependent as to whether anyone will have a warranty problem or not. Most of the folks on this site are adult drivers, overly proud and concerned about their truck's health and welfare and probably take care of them to an extent never even dreamed of by Ford's Service and Warranty Departments. Shoot, I have fixed most of the niggly problems I have had with my Lightning myself. I can sometimes do it better than my dealer!
It's late, so until tomorrow.
Bill

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Bill Murray
Current year Lightning
Oxford Muy Rapido White
Tow Package CD Player
Superchip GTech Meter
HobbyTownUSA Graphics
Identical 1/10 Scale Tamiya RC Truck incl. graphics.
Truck interest e-mail:
fastwhitey@myf150.com
Two decals

 

Wow, after all the 2 cents have been put in, will mine really matter, who cares, here it goes........I spent 32,000 on my truck.....I added a superchip........if my dealer says that he won't repair a warranty issue because it was caused by the superchip, all I will say is "prove it"......if he does OK if he doesn't, get bent......it's not about a warranty anyway...it's about me being proud of my truck.....if you have to get a second job to pay for a repair caused by the superchip, let me know, my yard needs to be mowed......

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98 F-150,4x4, 5.4L,Lariat,Ext. Cab, Gibson Cat-Back, K&N Filter, Bulldog Stainless Nerf Bars, Soft Top bed Cover, Duraliner,Captains Chairs,Off Road Package, Superchip,3.55 rear,every option you could get except for the towing package.......

 

I'm sorry cruel, cruel world. I re-read the post and maybe it was a bit rough around the edges. WOW, 38 replies in one day! MAN!
So because my post says new member, I'm just a trouble maker, huh? Who says I haven't been lurking around reading posts for a few weeks and haven't found the information I wanted so I decided to post a thread of my own to 'solicit' some information. And maybe I found out you had to register to post so i regitered and posted
(in that order). I wouldnt have even posted if I didn't believe some new firmware might do some good. All I have ever owned is Ford vehicles: '67 Ranchero, '65 pickup, '69 mach 1, '86 Bronco 2, and my '90 f150 lariat.
Mike addressed alot of the questions I had, in a very tactful manner (like I knew he would, since I've read his other posts).
Emissions and gas mileage surely play a large part in the way the factory chip is programed. The shift point stuff is surely correct also. But I would also think that there are other mechanical components with-in the system that are designed to work on those pressures and shift points and monkeying around with those possibly could cause some failures. I know the transmissions of even a few years ago were better off it they shifted firm, that soft shifts caused more wear, maybe this is true still today. I still have my doubts, but I do agree there maybe some applications where it could possibly be ok. But the cost of using premuim fuel!! Besides the little known fact that premium fuel actually causes increased fouling of fuel delivery systems over lower octane fuels...
I did some rough math and it looks like over a five year period you would spend about five hundred dollars more on fuel, if the difference between premium and reg. stays the same (I figured the difference at a conservative ten cents)add that to the price of the chip, and I guess each of us knows if its worth it or not. To me it's not, but if it is to you, great! I guess that is less than three percent of the price of a nice 4x4 Ford truck.
And I couldn't agree more that mike is obviously a real knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly person.
Dont have a cow if someone dissents, wouldn't it be more boring if everyone just posted 'boy, those chips sure are great'. Debate brings out the best pro and con arguemets which was actually the point of my first posts. I do love the board!! I'll be lurking, but i guess you guys say I cant post anymore so I'll just read and keep my mouth shut.

-Birddog

 

oct car&driver has a "chipoff" with super/jet/hypertech/dinan/autothority running in different vehicles with and without, and the times compared

 

Birddog,

You can Post all you want to. If it's vulgar or hits the webmaster the wrong way, he deals with it. If it's lazy or dumb, it's ignored for the most part. If its a slam on something or someone these people like, your gonna here from them. There are people that have registered on this forum and pick fights, start flames, or regurgitate garbage for there own entertainment. They are difficult to deal with and ruin a pretty laid back site. You looked like that type... Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. But it gets these people upset when someone walks in the door and says they're all wrong and you're right.
Try posting again. These folks will take in anybody that loves trucks and they'll help anyone that has questions or problems with them.

Have a better day tomorrow,

Mark

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'98 XLT, 4.6L, SC, 4x2,
Black, SB, Flareside,
ARE Tonneau ,
Lined, [img]//millennium.fortunecity.com/magic/388/Smil_lw1.gif[/img]
Tinted,
Deflected,
Mini-Disced ,
Amped 4x100,
Subbed 2x12,
K&Ned,
B-B-B-M-F
Goin' thru tires fast
not chipped yet
not supertrucked yet



[This message has been edited by Mark G (edited 09-03-1999).]

 

Morning Richard aka birddog:
I for one hope you keep on posting and often.
Reread both your posts very carefully this am and have a couple of thoughts.
In reverse order sort of, I thought the subject of the first post was better covered in the second, and that was what I expected to read the first time.
For a lot of us, the superchip, and other mods for that matter, do not generate a positive cash flow from better fuel consumption. Driving a Lightning, you are forced to use premium anyway, so if you lightfoot it, you can see just a tad of benefit, but most of us just sin more.
For a normally aspirated motor, I agree, you would have to drive one goshawful lot of highway miles to see any cost benefit factoring in the cost of the chip and the switch to premium, which in Ga is about 20c per gal. That would have been a real valid observation I think.
As to your coming out of the gate a bit strong, yeah, maybe. This is what I would call a strong board/site, particularly when compared with similar with other manufacturers products. It amazes me that we don't really fit the image of "Ford Tough".
For the most part, all are ladies and gentlemen and seem to like the thread to be pretty civil even when disagreeing with each other. We also "break em'" on each other a lot, but it's all in good clean fun.
Stick around, post a lot and enjoy.
Also, stay loose.
Regards
Bill Murray


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Bill Murray
Current year Lightning
Oxford Muy Rapido White
Tow Package CD Player
Superchip GTech Meter
HobbyTownUSA Graphics
Identical 1/10 Scale Tamiya RC Truck incl. graphics.
Truck interest e-mail:
fastwhitey@myf150.com
Two decals

 

Birddog, you said "More contaminants get past looser air filters and exhaust valves are more stressed with more free flowing exhausts." NO FLAME here just curious... my last vehicle a 1990 5.0 mustang had headers and aftermarket exhaust since it was about 10,000 miles old. When I sold it with 165,000 on it and still running very strong. This is the first time I heard about free flowing exhaust stressing exhaust valves. I also put on a Cobra intake, larger throttle body and mass air meter. Does this also mean I was stressing my intake valves? Could you explain?

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99 F150 XLT Silver 2WD S/C 4.2 5-speed, Superchip, Flowmaster muffler // Rear door switch guards - check them out at http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/show/5031

[This message has been edited by Darin (edited 09-03-1999).]

 

"Besides the little known fact that premium fuel actually causes increased fouling of fuel delivery systems over lower octane fuels..."


Where did you get this little wrong fact. Ive used premium gas without the chip in both my vehicles (91 Explorer and 97 F-150). With no fouling. The Explorer has been using premium for 9 years. I did get fouling for the first year...but I was running 87 ocatane then.

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The Truck: 1997 Black F-150 Flareside. Regular Cab ORP and Towing Package
The Mods: K&N Filter, Eurolid Hard Tonneau and Ford Bug Deflector.
The Site:
Triton's 4.6 Liter Web Page
www.mindspring.com/~acbradley/index.html

 

i think the reason for so many posts, is the topic itself "something for nothing!?,it doesn't work that way", and i think 99% of us know that already, and 99% of us know about vehicle modifications and repercussions that might be caused by them, it's all in the way you say it