Okay folks, I have the MSDS for P21S for both the 100% carnauba wax AND for the Concours Look Wax...

Unfortunately, I have to run right now-- I have a job interview in less than an hour... But when I return home, I will be sure to post my findings.

Please note that I am NOT trying to call anybody out, but with the dispute and the lack of proof, I will present this in as much a non-partisan manner as possible.

I should have this up by lunch if everythign goes to plan. Otherwise, definitely before dinner.

 

100% carnauba means the wax used is carnauba and carnauba wax only...no other filler type waxes, or meaning of blending waxes together

this is what 100% carnauba means:

If you see a wax advertised to be 100% Carnauba wax, they are really saying that whatever wax there may be in the can is 100% Carnauba (one advertised "100%" brand that comes to mind is actually 5.3% Carnauba wax and 94.7% who knows what). There are also numerous grades of Carnauba, and the top grades are expensive, so a high content percentage may not tell the whole story. The top grades are #1 white and # 1 yellow (no, it does not come in blue). Some of the better waxes on the market are about 25% to 35% #1 Carnauba. Carnauba will produce, in my humble opinion, the best depth of shine of any type of wax on the market.


this is what a blended wax or non 100% carnauba wax means:

straight from megs site about their #26

Hi-Tech Yellow Wax is a premium yellow Carnauba wax blended with silicones, polymers and other waxes. Adds richness and depth of color.


see the words and other waxes megs it not selling this as a carnauba wax

p21s is a 100% carnauba wax, it has other chemicals to make the wax more consistant, easier to use....blah blah blah....but the only wax that it contains is carnauba

 

This part was where we had a problem-- I thought you had meant that there was nothing but carnauba wax in the tub...I catch your drift now...

Anywho, my next post will have a portion of the MSDS as promised. Please note that I cannot fully copy the MSDS as it was provided for regulatory needs rather than for public disclosure. (to everyone) : Please dont argue the last point-- I believe they should be public information, but that is what the P21S rep told me. Since I dont deal with MSDS often, I dont know enough about it to say one way or another, but I will say that I will provide information necessary... Hard to explain what I am thinking...

 

SECTION 2: COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS

DESCRIPTION: This chemical product is a preparation
COMMON NAME: Solvent-based paste wax Degree of Risk
INGREDIENT: Class per EU 67/548EEC % WT OSHA PEL ACGIH TLV S I R Esp.

Hydrocarbons Xn; R 53-65-66 30-50% 500 100 1 2 0 No




NFPA HAZARD CLASSIFICATION
HEALTH: 1 FLAMMABILITY: 2 REACTIVITY: 0
OTHER: None


EXTINGUISHING MEDIA: CO2, dry chemical, alcohol-resistant foam for larger fires.


APPEARANCE: yellow, solid paste

ODOR: slight wax odor

PHYSICAL STATE: solid paste


BOILING POINT:
C: above 240 degrees
F: above 464 degrees


VAPOR PRESSURE: Unknown
@
C: 20 degrees
F: 68 degrees

FLASHPOINT: above 100 degrees C, 210 degrees F

AUTOIGNITION TEMPERATURE: Will not self-ignite

SPECIFIC GRAVITY (H2O = 1): 0.87-0.88
@
C: 20 degrees
F: 68 degrees

SOLUBILITY IN WATER: Not soluble


VISCOSITY: solid paste




Here is what I am willing to provide. Probably more than I should, but its enough IMO...

I realize that after troberts explanation, this piece of the MSDS is 99% useless, but it may find some use to someone somehow...

 

All MSDS sheets are public knowledge the rep was talking through his other hole when he told you that. I have access to a MSDS sheet search site through work and found nothing on the product. But on the other hand I typed in MeGuiars and got everything that they make.

 

Megs has all their MSDS sheets right on their website. You can email any company and they will send them to you.

 

I believe that if you buy the product them the company is legally obligated to provide you with the MSDS sheet.

 

I know I work in the Hardware buisness and if any customer requests an MSDS sheet we have to provide it to them and since I am the buyer it is my job to source them when asked. All I was saying the rep had no buisness telling someone they could not post it because of proprietary information contained on the sheet. Not trying to start a pissing match.

 

Community Right To Know Act of 1988... yes, they are required BY FEDERAL LAW to supply them.

 

That's what I thought...Dang... I wish I hadnt deleted the email already...

But, I have both in my computer now... Not that the rest of the info on there is worth while on here-- it is mostly firefighting stuff and storage... Not interesting.

But, then again, I didnt actually buy the product... I might have said I did, but... well... a white lie maybe...:o

But anywho, if anyone wants them, let me know via email (navyguy@swbell.net) and I'd be happy to send it along your way.

 

I was agreeing with you, not disagreeing. No Pissin' here friend...

 

Sorry its hard to interpret posts some times because you cant hear emotion or see facial expresions.

 

This is copied and pasted exactly from Todd a superior detailer and probably one of the best, if not the best, detailers on the planet.

One you cannot make a product with more than 30% of carnuaba wax because the solvents required to "cut" the wax and make it pliable would likel not pass VOC regulations.

Since carnuaba wax is hard to work with and doesn't really add to the optics of the product (other than the distoration that creates the illusion of depth or jetting). Adding more carnuaba doesn't necessarly change the appearance of the product and given carnauba's poor durability you could be negatively effect looks and lasting power of the wax. It is the solvents and oils and other waxes that produce the look so you are better off investing in these products.

Now Zymol and Swissvax measure there carnuaba content by dry (not wet) volume. I am suprised they are not sued for this misleading content because they would fail out of eight grade chemistry.

Imagine taking a garbage can and filling it up with about 3 pounds of feathers (enough to fill 90% of the garabage can) then adding 10 pounds of bricks (which would mean that only 25 percent of the content is truely feathers) but claiming your garbage can is 90% feather.

I believe Royal is in the 27% range as far as actual carnuaba volume (wet, which is real). Again this isn't bad since carnuaba wax is the least important part of the equation.

 

there are some that are a bit higher...p21s doesnt say how much but...

http://www.p21s.com/products/bis_100cw.html

then chemical guys have some with some amazing claims see below:

XXX is 47% Brazilian No. 1 Carnauba by volume and formulated with polymers to allow for layering, XXX is sure to create the deepest, wettest, glossiest shine. Engineered with LTI polymers to extend durability and increase resistance to the elements.

taken from here..they claim 47% of volume is carnauba

http://www.chemicalguys.com/Nr_1_Gra..._p/wac_301.htm

then a claim of 53% of the volume to be carnauba with this product

http://www.chemicalguys.com/HOW_AND_..._p/wac_300.htm


those are some big claims and i dont know if i can believe those....

 

Its by VOLUME, thats the trick.