Take a quick scroll back; I wasn't talking about you. As far as I'm concerned, you're the pillar of sanity in this thread.

-Fatz

 

Ohh ok sorry man I aplogize my fault. Yeah I didnt mean to get into all that. But I spray bedliners and thats what I use aliphatic top coats and my liners turn out great and customer feedback is good so far. When I got into doing this part time I just wanted to research polyurea as much as possible to make the best formulation for my liners cause I do beleive in selling a good product. And I know alot of bedliners have fading issues. Plus this means better word of mouth statements about my liners. And word of mouth sometimes not all the time is the best selling advertising there is. Well thanks anyway sorry about my last post.

 

"Also If a bedliner was going to be sprayed for a truck with major threat of more then normal chemicals they make a hydrocarbon resistant polyurea especially for chemical exsposure. So to the guy who asked what to do u can still get a sprayon bedliner but u may want to spend a little extra for a hydrocarbon resistant top coat. Ohh yeah also a aromatic base and aliphatic top coat bedliner would be a very nice quality bedliner for normal use then if in doubt use a chemical resistant top coat over top of the aliphatic."

from past posts of people with personal experience as well as those familiar with the spec sheets of each spray-in product, it seems like some chemicals that pose a danger to the bedliner to me don't seem all that abnormal i.e. antifreeze, woodstain, gasoline, etc. if such a chemical resistant top coat can be applied, i'm curious as to why such popular spray-in liners (line x and rhino) do not offer them, if not standard..then as an additional feature.

 

sportf150: Give me your email address and I'll send you LINE-X's chemical compatibility chart.

 

I have seen the spec sheet before...

my question was the following..

" if such a chemical resistant top coat can be applied, I'm curious as to why such popular spray-in liners (line x and rhino) do not offer them, if not standard..then as an additional feature"

I had noticed peoples comments in the past about putting drop ins on top of spray in liners...and at first i thought the idea was a little goofy...but it seems to make some sense....

drop in liner alone risks scraping the underlying bed, eventually possibly leading to holes and rust, while a spray in alone has negative consequences when exposed to certain chemicals.

together...a drop in would protect the spray liner from exposure to chemicals not to mention its resistance to fading compared to a spray in liner alone, while the underlying spray in liner would allow for durability beneath the drop in liner...preventing rust, holes or scraping.

 

I am not sure why rhino or line x do not offer a optional hyrocarbon resistant top coat. The company that supplies material for me does offer it. It is however farely new it hasnt been out for long so maybe thats why they do not offer it. I know not everyone gets their materials from the same supplier and they all have different formulas. My supplier specializes in Industrial polyurea they offer incredible industrail grade stuff. So thats why I beileive there bedliner formula is very very good it represents great physical properties. They offer many different formuals for everything from pond liners to bedliners to warehouse flooring.

 

What about this new Line-X Xtra stuff? Any word on this having new chemical resistant properties?

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=192412

 

If you guys are looking for the absolute best, check out LINE-X's product called Paxcon. www.paxcon.com It's been sprayed inside the US Pentagon, NY Federal building, and inside nuclear submarines.

 

This is a swell chart and all and maybe I'm reading it wrong, if I am please correct me.

Line-X breaks down after 7 days of exposure to some of these chemicals?? WTF, if you leave some of this stuff in the bed of your truck for seven days without cleaning it up you deserve to have your liner rot away, your truck bed too for that matter.

I've been very happy with my Line-X and as long as I take care of it I'm sure it will last the life of my truck.

 

Ummm, I don't think you have read this entire thread. I don't blame you, it a long one.

LINE-X is a blend of polyurethane, polyurea, pigments, and other proprietory chemicals. The generic chart for polyurea above is not representative of the LINE-X product.

Others in this thread are stating that since LINE-X contains some polyurea, then the chart must exactly represent LINE-X. This is just incorrect. That's like saying ANYTHING with water is going to boil at 112 degrees, it's simply not so.

 

This isn't sales literature; it's scientific data. It was produced by people who have no interest in selling anyone a bedliner.



Caveat Emptor,

Fatz

 

Right, I understand this is data. Could you explain what "ASTM D-1308 Immersion @ 25 C" means in regards to this Scientific Data?

How much of this crap is the Polyurea being exposed to, an eyedropper full or a 5 gallon bucket full. If the answer is right in front of me, forgive me, I didn't understand chemistry in high school much less 25 years later.

 

Now here's an idea for MnFatz: Why don't you give Nissan and PPG a call and tell them they shouldn't be spraying in a factory polyurea/polyurethane liner in their Titans and Frontiers. You might as well email them your chart, I'm sure they will need to see it.

MnFatz:
Real name was Rudolph Wanderone, a very fat man, called himself Minnesota Fats. He was known as New York Fats, and Brooklyn Fats, or just Fats. People say that he had probably never been to Minnesota. Then the movie (and book), The Hustler came out, and Fats said that the movie was about him. And he began calling himself Minnesota Fats. Walter Tevis, the author of The Hustler (as well as The Color of Money, The Man Who Fell To Earth, and the Queen's Gambit) denied that the book was about Mr. Wanderone. He said that he made up Minnesota Fats and Fast Eddie. Tevis was upset about Wanderone stealing the name from his book and movie.

Fats was not a particularly good pool player, not of tournament pro caliber. He said he was the best. He said that he had never lost a game. He said a lot of things, and he said it loudly. He put on a good show, and he was good for the game. He is in the BCA Hall of Fame, not for his pool, but for his promotion of the game. For this, he deserves his place in the Hall of Fame. He was the best and funniest show in pool. And he was pretty good at making bank shots.

 

"Line-X breaks down after 7 days of exposure to some of these chemicals?? WTF, if you leave some of this stuff in the bed of your truck for seven days without cleaning it up you deserve to have your liner rot away, your truck bed too for that matter.

I've been very happy with my Line-X and as long as I take care of it I'm sure it will last the life of my truck."

The chart you are referring to does not tell you specifically how long it takes for each chemical to possibly damage the material of which the liner is composed of...it gives a generic duration of 7 days for all chemcial exposures tested. Certainly specific chemicals can pose a greater immediate risk than others when exposed to the liner material. This spec sheet is really a general reference as to what chemicals you dont want to expose to your spray in liner to for any amount of time.

 

LINE-X gives you a written nationwide lifetime warranty anyway. No worries!