Yes it does. Tongue weight counts as payload. The weight of the truck, loaded without the trailer, plus the tongue weight should not exceed GVWR.

Curb weight plus max payload should equal GVWR.

 

Nope! To properly set up your trailer for towing, you need to adjust the tongue weight so that it is between 10-15% of the loaded trailer weight. Anything less than that and you set yourself up for trailer sway.

Having the trailer sway while you are driving is a white-knuckle experience, and is VERY dangerous!

So, that 10-15% added tongue weight DOES contribute to the weight you have added to the tow vehicle.

- Jack

 

I can speak from riding in a truck that someone loaded up wrong and had the heaviest items at the front of the trailer several years ago. That sucker was like a wild snake behind the truck. Surprised the load didn't fall off.

Luckily it was only a 3 mile trip. But it's usually those short ones that wind up being tragic.

Now when I load up any of my trailers I check, and double-check to make sure it's loaded right.

 

Jack you are right as far as setting up the trailer, my point more or less was not to load most of the weight on the tongue. As you can easily exceed the limit of the hitch, axle and also loose handling as the weight and sag on the rear will cause lift on the front of the truck making it just as unstable as having the weight off of the rear. It will also effect your abs and the ability to stop.

 

If that's the case then my hitch would be in a different class being that I can haul more than any other f150 since e mine is HD PAYLOAD.

 

All the HD Payload package does for you in the real world is allow you to carry a load in the truck in addition to towing a heavy trailer without exceeding payload/GVWR ratings.

Seems to me that a HD Payload + Max Tow package truck comes with a Class 4 hitch. If not, it should!

 

So what class hitch comes on other f150s? I do have a IV. 1050 max tongue weight. If other trucks have the same, which I am most certain of because it's a 1/2ton truck.

After re reading the posts I see where we differed in thoughts. I see that op is trying to Gaul in bed and tow at same time. I was strictly thinking off the basis that it was towing only.

You are "burning the candle at both ends " needless to say. I can see how it would be easy to run out of gvwr and gawr if doing such but that's why they make toy haulers. Also if you have a class "a" license you could always rent a trailer and just haul a second toy hauler behind rv if you don't have a toy hauler to.

 

The standard hitch on a F-150 is a Class 3, which requires weight distribution for over 500/5000 tongue/trailer weight.

It's not just hauling stuff in the bed that eats up payload - passengers will do the same thing. You aren't going to make THEM ride in the trailer!

 

Jeez that sucks. Well at least now I know what struggles I'm not going to have for worry about.

 

So If I'm reading this right, My truck is rated to tow 12k pounds but I couldn't actually pull it and have the proper amount of tongue weight?

Mine is a 2014 screw 4x4 eco, 3:55's with 7200#GVWR. I have a electric trailer brake, but obviously not HD package or Max Tow Package.

Just trying to wrap my head around it before I hook up to anything large. This was never an issue with my F-350, lol.

 

No 2014 F-150 has a 12k tow rating. Your tow rating is 9600# with a 5.5' bed, 9500# with a 6.5' bed. Max tow to get you up to 11k to 11.2k requires 3.73 or 4.10 gears.

Now - a 9.5k trailer will have a tongue weight between 800# and 1400#. You can only tow it and stay within limits if the weight of the truck, loaded without the trailer, and the tongue weight is no more than 7200#. You also shouldn't exceed your hitch rating.

This is why we push people to get a Super Duty if they want to tow something that heavy. The EB will pull it like it's not even back there, but you have the chassis and the rest of the driveline to be concerned about. You can only do so much with a 1/2 ton pickup.

 

9600lbs max for trailer gvwr. Your max tongue weight will be same as mine which is 1050lbs. Being that my truck weighs in at 5700 and I have the longer bed and I have HD and you don't, you are left with about 6-800lbs of leftover payload on your truck which should only be passenger weight. If you can avoid hauling it, tow it.

 

No where on the scales does it show a 12k tow rating glc, max towing is 11,300 with max tow ecoboost, and 11,300 with 6.2L.

 

That's what I said - NO 2014 has 12k.

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/...F150_Sep11.pdf

4X4 Supercrew tow ratings:

145" WB (5.5' bed):

Ecoboost with 3.55 gears: 9600#
Ecoboost with 3.73 or 4.10 gears: 11200# (requires Max Tow)

157" WB (6.5' bed):

Ecoboost with 3.55 gears: 9500#
Ecoboost with 3.73 or 4.10 gears: 11100# (requires Max Tow), 11000# with HD Payload

11300# is only available on a 4x2 Supercrew or regular cab/Supercab with either 4x2 or 4x4. Requires EB with 3.73/4.10 or 6.2 with 3.73.

 

Awesome, thanks for the clarification guys. The largest thing I hook up to is this trailer behind my old F350 in the below pic. It's about 3300#'s, if I remember correctly (can't remember for sure, might be lighter). I usually haul 4 450lb sleds and 500-700 lbs of gear and four guys (150-200lbs each). Should be fine as long as I distribute the weight properly, but will be close.

I drive around a major city using my truck as a DD, and only tow this thing a couple times a year. I couldn't justify keeping the one-ton. I did sell it to my Dad, so if I need to, I guess I could still use it.