Sounds like were mostly on the same page. Like "New Coke", this thing looks great, on paper.

Granted, these engines are tried and true on some of Fords midsized cars, that weigh 1000lbs less than the F150. These cars never haul anything other than a few brats in the back seat from soccer practice though.

My gut tells me that once these engines are placed in a truck, and then loaded down with another 1000lbs + of cargo, they are going to start coming apart at the seams around 75000 miles. Just a guess on the mileage, but it sounds good. I see a long term maintenance nightmare. What scares me, is that we truly won't know, until a few thousand of these break the post 75000 mile mark.

Now, if you never tow anything, and never haul more than 200-300 pounds back from Home Depot once every six months, then this might work... Maybe. I still have a bad taste in my mouth.

I dare Ford to prove me wrong. Honestly, I hope that they do and this thing works. I just don't see it though.

Cheers.

 

Yeah, I'm sure Ford has done no high mileage testing with heavy loads in these trucks. I'm sure they are just praying they work.

 

My thoughts exactly.

Besides, aren't they going to have a couple other new engines as well? You don't have to buy the EB engine, buy the one you like. The EB is just garnering the most attention because of the huge increase in power and miniscule increase in MPG, compared to the volume leading current 5.4 Triton. What about that 6.2 in the Raptor, maybe that'll go into some of the 150's. That should make for a nice choice if you don't like the EB or whatever other engine choices Ford comes up with.

It's already June. I'm sure within the next 4 months or so you'll start to hear more official numbers and choices. In fact, it's a smart move for them to wait so long, that way the excitement for the new engines will hopefully (in Ford's mind) drive attention away from any spy pics of the 2012. That way they can keep sales humming along without people holding back for hopefully a lighter model that gets even better MPG with the EB engine.

 

Your assuming the 2012 will be all-new?

 

Yeah, he's stuck on that. Ain't gonna happen. Supposedly there is also some significant weight reduction coming in the '11.

I'll take the EB and blow all you old-schoolers who think there is no replacement for displacement away (whether empty or towing) thanks! Oh, and I won't have to stop at the gas pumps as many times either!

 

That's what I'm assuming, yes. Based soley on posts made on this site regarding Ford's new commitment to refresh and/or remodel all their vehicles every 3 years. By no means was it some random assumption I came up with all by my lonesome. If I'm wrong, I could care less, doesn't affect me personally at all. I don't care if they remodel next year, or not until 2050. But I may as well go by the most current info I have, and I get virtually all of it from this forum right here. Knock me if you want, doesn't cause me any sleep loss. But unfortunately I'm not the one who posted the article by Ford talking about their new 3-year turnover rate, so you've got the wrong person to try and put down on an online forum for that one. And I still stick by my assumption that if the remodel does happen in '12, the truck will have some good weight savings to help increase MPG while not giving up any of it's best-in-class characteristics. I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption. The previous poster just made the assumption that the '11 is going to have some big weight reductions- that's the first I've ever heard of that, other than obviously the engine weighing less because it's a different engine. I'd like to know more about that, if there's any info available.

 

From a marketing standpoint, the best things Ford could do is release both the 5.0 and the 6.2 in the F150 and market the 6.2 as The Boss. Both the Boss name and the 5.0 are iconic. Look at the hype Dodge made when they brought the Hemi name back. Ford could have THAT engine that everyone knows by name, again. I only bring that up because I've read several articles that while the project name of the 6.2 was Hurricane and then The Boss, they are not marketing the 6.2 as The Boss.

I mean how cool is this?



One of my friend's has a Hemi in his Ram and it's all he talks about. Hemi this, Hemi that. "Hey, whenever you need a trailer pulled, let me know and I'll hook the HEMI up to it!" Nevermind the fact that we do have a 6.4 Powerstroke that pulls a trailer like it weighs as much as a Radio Flyer.

 

Good point about the name game. Dodge sure does a great job with the hemi name like you said. It would be cool to have our own little name to throw around.

Oh, did a quick search and found one of the articles about Ford's new 3-year cycle, for what it's worth: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/23/f...vehicle-cycle/

 

Yes but given the 2011s will arrive at dealers end of Dec to Jan 2011... it kind of defies logic that they'd do a half year run and then unviel the all new 2012's?

Maybe I'm the only one that sees that. They would just "waste" all the cred from the new engines (and upgraded display ala SD and E PS) in the 2011's. (plus other rumored possible upgrades like weight reduction)

With the upgrades we know of for 2011, sales will not be an issue... for a year or two at minimum.

 

Problem with Boss, is the connotation with the Boss Mustangs. And wasn't the 429, Ford's version of the Hemi?

 

I don't see Ford bringing back the Cobra Jet, but I guess you could say that was Ford's Hemi. I mean the Hemi was purely a car engine in the Charger, Challenger, etc, but that didn't stop them from putting a new one in a truck and having it being successful for them.

 

I agree with Aviator150. Time will tell if these things will last in truck applications. I spend the entire weekend towing with my 5.4 and enjoyed every minute. It is a master at towing for my purposes. I don't see any V-6 matching it, especially long term.

 

Keep in mind the EB in MY2010 vehicles (Taurus, Flex, etc) are tuned to limit torque because of the transaxles used. RWD use for the F-150 will have even more power, which compensates for the extra weight.

The EB won't match the current 5.4L It will exceed it in power and fuel economy.

 

I didn't make the assumption about the '11 having weight reductions. Comes from a poster at Blue Oval Forums. He just happens to be a Ford Employee...

I did make the assumption that the '12 won't be a re-design. Some changes are coming for the '11, and it won't start production until November, so I'm assuming no all-new '12 model.

Oh, and I wasn't knocking you at all, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

 

The EB won't match the current 5.4L It will exceed it in power and fuel economy.

Torque is as important or more so for towing. Check out the video of the 2011 V-6 Mustang v.s. the 2010 GT. The GT pulls away because of its torque. When the V-6 finally gets wound up, it starts gaining on the gap between it and the GT, but it is spinning very high rpm. My 5.4 pulls well at low rpm, therefore is very low in workload. I'll take it any day over a V-6 in a truck application. I don't care about overall HP in my truck.