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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 04:14 AM
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Body Lift Realities vs. Preconcieved Notions

Some of you might remember I'm a pretty big naysayer against the body lifts...okay, I usually take a hardline stance against 'em.

But recently, I've been seeing more and more of the 3" body lifts popping up...and I've been looking at 'em pretty seriously.


I dislike them for the following reasons:
-Leave that gap between frame and body
-Your bumpers either don't line up, or you have that stupid frame horn showing if you relocate them
-You cannot use your bumper to tow anymore
-Worried about the steering column extension
-Worried about cab shifting/movement during frame torsion
-pretty sure I can't use my bull bar without it looking funny


However, I really like them for the following reasons:
-You can use 2wd valance to cover frame horns
-body filler panels can cover the gaps
-I have a tow hitch that I can use to tow
-They are cheap compared to lift kits
-The PA kit seems very well engineered

The wife has "authorized" me to do whatever I want in terms of wheels/tires/lift on my truck. I really want the altitude of a lift kit, but I cannot justify the money.
Due to my location, the $1,200 Pro Comp 6" kit becomes a $2,000+ kit after shipping...whereas I can buy a 3" body lift for $300-400 shipped and utilize my 2.5" spacer/3" block for a percieved total of ~5-6" of lift.


it's a pretty big difference in the $$$, and that would let me focus on other vital areas such as tires. otherwise, I'll have to play the old buy 1 thing...wait 6 months, buy another part...6 months later and so forth until I get the whole package together.

I'm willing to admit that I've been slightly muleheaded about these in the past. :o


Guess what I'm looking for is real life opinions. For those that have 'em, what do ya think? btw, I have access to frame and regular lifts, so I'm not concerned about the install. I'd be doing it myself with maybe a bud for an extra set of hands


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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 04:17 AM
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this is the stance I'm after. The truck belongs to MuddedPrairie on another truck forum. He has the 2.5" AS kit and a 3" PA body lift on 35" Mud Grapplers with wheel spacers. far as I can tell, nothing else suspension wise


I think my 3" rear block would help get rid of that sag he has, but otherwise it's exactly what I want looks wise for my trucks stance


 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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I would just get the wheels and tires and call it a day. I too don't like body lifts much, my main problem is that they just show a lot more frame under the cab. There are some that look good but all of the frame showing still kills it for me personally.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Tylus
Some of you might remember I'm a pretty big naysayer against the body lifts...okay, I usually take a hardline stance against 'em.

I dislike them for the following reasons:
-Leave that gap between frame and body
-Your bumpers either don't line up, or you have that stupid frame horn showing if you relocate them
-You cannot use your bumper to tow anymore
-Worried about the steering column extension
-Worried about cab shifting/movement during frame torsion
-pretty sure I can't use my bull bar without it looking funny

I'm willing to admit that I've been slightly muleheaded about these in the past. :o


Guess what I'm looking for is real life opinions. For those that have 'em, what do ya think? btw, I have access to frame and regular lifts, so I'm not concerned about the install. I'd be doing it myself with maybe a bud for an extra set of hands


thanks
I don't have one but I have to say, I agree with you on the above points and have always been against them because of the things you list. I would rather do without a lift than use a body lift, but that's me. The truck in the pic shows too much tow hook in front and too much exhaust from the side. If you're like me, you will do it and then down deep, hate it. I don't go against my gut feeling anymore. IMO, body lifts take away from the overall look and seem somehow "Fake" as far as legitimate lifts. I don't want to offend anyone who has one, if they like it but personally I would put the 3-$400 toward and save up for the real deal.

I always come back to these:
-Leave that gap between frame and body
-Your bumpers either don't line up, or you have that stupid frame horn showing if you relocate them
-You cannot use your bumper to tow anymore
-Worried about the steering column extension
-Worried about cab shifting/movement during frame torsion
-pretty sure I can't use my bull bar without it looking funny
And there's nothing wrong with being muleheaded...
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:41 AM
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Since your supercharged the first thing you should be thinking of before going to 35s is regearing. Without regearing you're putting a HUGE amount of extra stress on the transmission.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by hwm3
Since your supercharged the first thing you should be thinking of before going to 35s is regearing. Without regearing you're putting a HUGE amount of extra stress on the transmission.
I agree here. especially since you mentioned that towing was a factor. bad enough lugging the big meats around, but throw in a trailer and your transmission would be hurting.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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I have always liked your truck. Don't go messing it up now.

body lift = bad
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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keep saving up man i almost went down this same road but i didnt and i couldnt be happier
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tylus
I dislike them for the following reasons:[INDENT]-Leave that gap between frame and body

gap guards take care of that, or you could make your own

-Your bumpers either don't line up, or you have that stupid frame horn showing if you relocate them

if you have a bull bar, it should didsguise the frame horns

-You cannot use your bumper to tow anymore

tow package?

-Worried about the steering column extension

i had a PA BL of my expy. the extension is billet aluminum and very stout. with a little locktite on the bolts, it's not going anywhere

-Worried about cab shifting/movement during frame torsion

[b]my truck didn't leave the pavement much, but when it did i didn't exerience any of that. proper installation is key. tighten all bolts well and you shouldn't have any shifting.

-pretty sure I can't use my bull bar without it looking funny

theanimal had a BL on top of his 6" lift with a bull bar. it actually looked pretty good. the top of the bull bar was a little higher than the top of the bumper. i tried to find pics, but he removed them


hope this helps.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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If I didn't fall into my Rancho lift, I was seriously heading down the same path with the BL plus AS and 35's. After I saw the addition of the 2wd valance to hide the frame horns, I was pretty much sold. With the valance and gap guards, it looks completely fine and I have no problems with it whatsoever...I am not nearly as biased against it as some, if not most. But my MAIN issue is cost. Including install, gg's, valance, etc, the price is nearly the same as a lift.
Finally, I've had to ship stuff to family in Hawaii and I feel ya on the shipping costs. Can't you go to 4Wheel parts and order from them to avoid that? You may pay more for the initial cost, but after factoring shipping, does it wash out? Just curioius.
In any event, post pics and status when you start your transition.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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What you also have to consider is the extra costs of putting the body lift on. While it is cheaper than a suspension lift initially, you will most certainly want to get your exhaust raised up to match the truck again: $100-200. You will want gap guards: $100-200. A new valance: $100-200.

Not to mention, the frame sag looks fugly IMO. I think if you watch ebay, you can find a pro-comp or rancho for somewhat cheap. Do the install yourself, and then you win in every category. It will look sweet, be much safer, AND your suspension angles will be factory again.

And looking at your list of pros-cons...the pros dont come CLOSE to outweighing those cons you listed. Save up, keep searching for deals...you'll come across one. Call around everywhere, get shipping quotes. Somebody out there will want your business, i guarantee it.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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Stick with ýour bullheaded ways man, I wouldn't ruin that truck w a body lift, you've done everything correctly so far why throw a bl on there and make it look half arsed...get the suspension lift...it'll be better in the long run. If you can drop 2800 on a s/c I don't think 2k bones will hurt too bad esp w the wifes approval
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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thanks for the replies guys. It's not a matter of money...sorta. I've got it, but I just cannot justify spending $2k when I can wait 2 yrs and pay $1,200 when I'm back on the mainland.

the body lift is appealing since it would only be roughly $400. I work in a pipe/machine fabrication shop and have access to every thing I'd need to fab up odds/ends.


I think in the end, it comes down to me being a tightwad. I bought my Supercharger because it was 1/2 price. I'd wanted one from the second I heard they existed...but no way in hell I would pay $5,000+ for one...at $2,400...it was a big steal I couldn't pass up.

Same thing with the suspension lift. I would essentially be throwing $800-1,000 away on shipping charges. And that bothers me on a deep personal level...doubly sucks because I want that extra altitude NOW


I'll probably do the responsible thing and just wait......and that just sucks a big one




btw, you guys seriously think I should regear? I just laid down a good 30-40 ft strip of rubber this morning from a dig with my 32" tires

I know 4.10 or 4.56 would let the motor/tranny work easier...but it seems pretty frisky right now. Only plan on running 2.5" taller tires. most likely a 285/70/18
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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btw, forgot to mention
Originally Posted by StoveTop
Can't you go to 4Wheel parts and order from them to avoid that? You may pay more for the initial cost, but after factoring shipping, does it wash out? Just curioius.
In any event, post pics and status when you start your transition.
I gave them a few calls and talked to some of the guys...and boy am I never shopping there

1. those retards barely understand anything that isn't a Titan, Tundra, or Taco
2. the base price for the Pro Comp Stage 1 lift through them is almost $2k, then about another $500-700 minimum for shipping
3. I don't get a warm fuzzy when talking to them
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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why not wait til your in the states some time visiting family and order it and have it shipped to them. then pay the extra $50 or how ever much it is for the oversize baggage and bring it back on the plane? not sure if that would work, but you have spent so much money on your truck now, get what will make you happy, don't settle and be unhappy it would be terrible to see you disapointed with a truck you have spent so much time on

is there a truck shop there that would maybe price match or come close to getting it down cheap enough to tempt you to buy it?
 

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