2007 5.4L Beware!!
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Originally Posted by TNC
Testing every part is not feasible. In large scale production, almost every manufacturer uses SPC. I would be amazed if Ford, GM, Dodge, Toyota, and on and on was not using SPC. SPC is statistical process controls. Using this tool and others you only test samples of product based on statistics and chart the results. The idea is that you can eventually predict failures and see trends before they make it even on to the production floor. Most of these guys will adhere to 6 sigma quality standards as well. Since they're certainly ISO certified, they would also have to have every single last vendor ISO certified. This means that the vendor is testing their parts to a spec. agreed upon between them and Ford, and getting periodic audits from outside sources. Not only that, when the parts that failed show up they will have to do all kinds of corrective actions on top of whatever punitive measures Ford takes against them. There is way more to all of this than I've written. Quality is a huge undertaking. When they agree to replace the engine, no questions asked, it's top notch customer service in my book. Try to understand what a HUGE operation any of these auto manufacturers are running. It's a monumental task to perform the way they do and constantly improve. Top that off with R&D and the need to keep your products fresh. It never stops........
Lastly, if the trucks were perfect, square one, as was said, nobody would say anything. It's pretty much human nature. Good news dies fast. Bad news travels and gets bigger and bigger. If you don't think so, look at the posts on here. We all like these trucks, but how many positive comments are there? When things go right, everyone says " It's supposed to work that way". I say give 'em credit for doing the right thing.
Lastly, if the trucks were perfect, square one, as was said, nobody would say anything. It's pretty much human nature. Good news dies fast. Bad news travels and gets bigger and bigger. If you don't think so, look at the posts on here. We all like these trucks, but how many positive comments are there? When things go right, everyone says " It's supposed to work that way". I say give 'em credit for doing the right thing.
The only way for any manufacturer to test product and still maintain a profit margin is to pull random samples off the line. Crash testing is done by taking a fully built vehicle at random, running into a wall and then using that data to gauge how every other model will perform in an accident. Engine testing is done at the assembly plant in the same way, pull a random engine, put it on a dyno and run the nuts off it until it breaks. Now that you mention it, I've never seen anyone start a thread called "I love this truck it's absolutly perfect!".
Hmmm I wonder why.........
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Boy I bet these guys were shocked when they found out the Toyota isn't perfect either. When you start messing with high hp and torque and lots of weight things won't be as rosy as they were used to.
Boy I bet these guys were shocked when they found out the Toyota isn't perfect either. When you start messing with high hp and torque and lots of weight things won't be as rosy as they were used to.
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I don't see how anyone expects every vehicle coming out of the plant to be perfect right from day 1. Whenever your mass producing anything like Ford is your going to have the odd parts failure and recall. And to complicate things even more theres vehicles that don't even run engines built by Ford, such as anything with the 6.0 Diesel. Navistar made a few mistakes with that engine and everyone is chapped at Ford when really Ford had less to do with the engine failures the Navistar. Replacing the whole engine is a very respectable show of customer service on Fords part. Makes me happy I bought an F150.
My truck is probly in and around those production dates, but I've already got 9000kms on it, so I figure I am safe as far as that problem goes.
My truck is probly in and around those production dates, but I've already got 9000kms on it, so I figure I am safe as far as that problem goes.
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Originally Posted by Tbird69
You hit it right on the head TNC. The only way for any manufacturer to test product and still maintain a profit margin is to pull random samples off the line. Crash testing is done by taking a fully built vehicle at random, running into a wall and then using that data to gauge how every other model will perform in an accident. Engine testing is done at the assembly plant in the same way, pull a random engine, put it on a dyno and run the nuts off it until it breaks.
Now that you mention it, I've never seen anyone start a thread called "I love this truck it's absolutly perfect!".
Hmmm I wonder why.........
The only way for any manufacturer to test product and still maintain a profit margin is to pull random samples off the line. Crash testing is done by taking a fully built vehicle at random, running into a wall and then using that data to gauge how every other model will perform in an accident. Engine testing is done at the assembly plant in the same way, pull a random engine, put it on a dyno and run the nuts off it until it breaks. Now that you mention it, I've never seen anyone start a thread called "I love this truck it's absolutly perfect!".
Hmmm I wonder why.........
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Originally Posted by Tbird69
You hit it right on the head TNC. The only way for any manufacturer to test product and still maintain a profit margin is to pull random samples off the line. Crash testing is done by taking a fully built vehicle at random, running into a wall and then using that data to gauge how every other model will perform in an accident. Engine testing is done at the assembly plant in the same way, pull a random engine, put it on a dyno and run the nuts off it until it breaks.
Now that you mention it, I've never seen anyone start a thread called "I love this truck it's absolutly perfect!".
Hmmm I wonder why.........
The only way for any manufacturer to test product and still maintain a profit margin is to pull random samples off the line. Crash testing is done by taking a fully built vehicle at random, running into a wall and then using that data to gauge how every other model will perform in an accident. Engine testing is done at the assembly plant in the same way, pull a random engine, put it on a dyno and run the nuts off it until it breaks. Now that you mention it, I've never seen anyone start a thread called "I love this truck it's absolutly perfect!".
Hmmm I wonder why.........
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Originally Posted by RUSS04
]Not to be a smart A$$ BUT my question to you is What is absolutly perfect ? I have a 2004 The only problem i had was the ambiant temp sensor was replaced My hvac control turns off by itself Dealer told me npf I never had the problems that are posted on this web site Steering ,Sounds like a diesel motor,Clunk,Rear slider does not work,3rd brake has a leak and so on I think my truck is absolutly perfect
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[QUOTE=Tbird69]WOW! Thirteen threads about how some here love their trucks. Now do a search for all the threads started by people complaining about them. Include all the ones about stupid frivolous stuff as well. The "crappy keys" thread comes to mind.......
My point was more threads are started to complain then are started to praise. Stealth was kind enough to make my point for me.[/QUOTE
My point was more threads are started to complain then are started to praise. Stealth was kind enough to make my point for me.
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I am the Service Director for Tropical Ford Lincoln Mercury and recently took delivery of my (orderd) F 1-50 (7/11/07). When my truck came in we noticed a hand written "Thrust Bearing" in white marker on the left rear window. We had no idea's as to why this was written there at that time? My motor was produce in Ontario on 6/20/07. I will start calling me factory contacts for more information on this possible issue.
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[QUOTE=CrAz3D]The Japanese demand higher quality.[QUOTE]
Doesn't matter if they demand higher quality or not. Escapes (defects that leave the factory) still happen. If this is true, then why is Toyota dealing with a number of 5.7 engine issues (cam or something, can't remember). Or why did our Japanese built Honda Accord have a cracked engine block?
Doesn't matter if they demand higher quality or not. Escapes (defects that leave the factory) still happen. If this is true, then why is Toyota dealing with a number of 5.7 engine issues (cam or something, can't remember). Or why did our Japanese built Honda Accord have a cracked engine block?
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Originally Posted by 07HD
And to complicate things even more theres vehicles that don't even run engines built by Ford, such as anything with the 6.0 Diesel. Navistar made a few mistakes with that engine and everyone is chapped at Ford when really Ford had less to do with the engine failures the Navistar.
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I have a 07 to and I expereinced something weird the other day too. when I was parallel parking and I turned the wheel all the way in one direction the truck started shaking but not violently. Will you guys consider this a issue? When does your truck start shaking violently?
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Originally Posted by pmason718
I have a 07 to and I expereinced something weird the other day too. when I was parallel parking and I turned the wheel all the way in one direction the truck started shaking but not violently. Will you guys consider this a issue? When does your truck start shaking violently?
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Thrust Bearing
I'm having Trouble with my 2004 F150 and consulted the Neighbor who is at Mechanic at Avis Rental cars. He informed me that there are atl least 10 trucks at his shop waiting on a new engin due to thrust bearings. Bad thing though, he said my 2004 is making the same noise as the new 2007 in his shop. Any body else had problems with a thrust bearing in a year modle other than a 2007?