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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 02:11 AM
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Doyou think it would be considerably easier if you were to have done this swap using a zf5 or zf6(manual) transmission instead of the 4r100 (automatic), also what do you feel would change if the truck was not an automatic to begin with(truck the v10 is going into)
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 09:19 AM
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i'm betting this swap would b SOOOO much better on a manual transmission.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 09:37 AM
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I am a big fan of manual transmissions. I have done 2 auto to manual swaps on past cars - 300zx turbo and my Lexus SC300 turbo. However, for off road and towing, I prefer automatics so a manual was never even a consideration.

I think the swap would be more complex mechanically and electrically going to a manual. You have the pedals inside and a new clutch master, plus wiring for the clutch safety switch, etc. I have no idea what else would be unhappy when going from auto to manual. In my Lexus, I had to do some rewiring to regain cruise control, memory seats, neutral safety, and the auto tilt wheel - and it's OBD1.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 09:46 AM
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I am a big fan of manual transmissions. I have done 2 auto to manual swaps on past cars - 300zx turbo and my Lexus SC300 turbo. However, for off road and towing, I prefer automatics so a manual was never even a consideration.

I think the swap would be more complex mechanically and electrically going to a manual. You have the pedals inside and a new clutch master, plus wiring for the clutch safety switch, etc. I have no idea what else would be unhappy when going from auto to manual. In my Lexus, I had to do some rewiring to regain cruise control, memory seats, neutral safety, and the auto tilt wheel - and it's OBD1.
jeez i guess id did forget the wiring for the neutral safety and all that other jigamaloo! why must our vehicles be cyborgs! pedal swaps are't that bad, just finding one for this gen of pickup will be a pain though, unless it's already there.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 1997 lariat 4.6
jeez i guess id did forget the wiring for the neutral safety and all that other jigamaloo! why must our vehicles be cyborgs! pedal swaps are't that bad, just finding one for this gen of pickup will be a pain though, unless it's already there.
I have no idea. Never did any research there. I can say for sure you'd need a PCM for a V10 manual (if you need to pass smog) though, and I don't know how hard those are to find either.

This truck will stay auto for the duration of my relationship with it! It could use a few PSI of boost though.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 10:14 AM
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I have no idea. Never did any research there. I can say for sure you'd need a PCM for a V10 manual (if you need to pass smog) though, and I don't know how hard those are to find either.

This truck will stay auto for the duration of my relationship with it! It could use a few PSI of boost though.
im sure you could have the pcm flashed and re-programmed. MMMM BOOST!
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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I'll be looking into the Gem and ABS modules. Great work, and I must say thank you for doing all of the leg work. I too was starting to go insane.
You don't need to do anything with the GEM. Here's what fixed my speedo.

 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1997 lariat 4.6
im sure you could have the pcm flashed and re-programmed. MMMM BOOST!
A reflash is in future plans. First it needs 3" true duals and a set of headers. I'll probably never get around to boost though. I already have a car that does 0 to 100 in about 11 seconds, I don't need a fast truck too!
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ishootstuff
I am a big fan of manual transmissions. I have done 2 auto to manual swaps on past cars - 300zx turbo and my Lexus SC300 turbo. However, for off road and towing, I prefer automatics so a manual was never even a consideration.

I think the swap would be more complex mechanically and electrically going to a manual. You have the pedals inside and a new clutch master, plus wiring for the clutch safety switch, etc. I have no idea what else would be unhappy when going from auto to manual. In my Lexus, I had to do some rewiring to regain cruise control, memory seats, neutral safety, and the auto tilt wheel - and it's OBD1.

Well in my truck I have manual seats/everything(no electric locks, windows) also I guess since it is already manual I dont have to worry about to much mechanical stuff that will need to be done since it is already there but I guess I am going to be stubborn and find out half way through what is going to go wrong. But this thread is definelty going to serve as some sort of basis to figure this stuff out. Also how much boost do you figure you can put into these stock blocks before they break and also where can I buy a forged crank, pistons, and rods for it if I want to build a stronger motor.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 01:41 PM
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Well in my truck I have manual seats/everything(no electric locks, windows) also I guess since it is already manual I dont have to worry about to much mechanical stuff that will need to be done since it is already there but I guess I am going to be stubborn and find out half way through what is going to go wrong. But this thread is definelty going to serve as some sort of basis to figure this stuff out. Also how much boost do you figure you can put into these stock blocks before they break and also where can I buy a forged crank, pistons, and rods for it if I want to build a stronger motor.
im betting you have the little M5OD tranny... it's not a tranny for pulling, and will be ripped apart by the 6.8.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 01:49 PM
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Also how much boost do you figure you can put into these stock blocks before they break and also where can I buy a forged crank, pistons, and rods for it if I want to build a stronger motor.
Maybe someone else can chime in. I haven't even begun to research boost on these motors, but hey, what couldn't handle 4PSI?

Either way, I'd buy the proper instrumentation before the boosting goodies. WB o2, boost gauge, etc.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 02:13 PM
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If the truck is a V-6, the M5OD won't bolt to the V-10 anyway. If it's a 4.6, the M5OD won't last. A ZF5 is not a difficult swap, a 3" body lift makes it a lot easier.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 01:24 AM
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My truck is a v8 4.6l and I put a 3" body lift for the sole purpose of putting a zf6 if I can find one for gas if not then a zf5 in there cause my little m5od has around 300,000 miles on it so I dont know how much longer it will last with the 4.6 on it but I have been following this thread, https://www.f150online.com/forums/tr...-zf6-swap.html, granted he hasent posted in it in a while but I also know, not sure if it will last, but the transfer case from the m5od will bolt on to the zf transmission but I will also need to get a shorter drive shaft. So as far as the transmission goes I think I may have it down more or less now the only part I am worried about is the engine.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 02:00 AM
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you can run up to 12# of boost and thats pushing the limit, but i would keep it at 8psi just to be safe.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2012 | 08:18 AM
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X2^ on the 8#'s or maybe 6 just to be safe... I've never heard of anyone adding boost the v10. That's just my .02
 
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