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Old May 28, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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Brake Squeak...WTF???

Man, brand new brakes all around on both vehicles... EBC 7000 on the front, and Ultimax pads on the rear of my truck. EBC Uliltmax pads all the way around on the wifes car. Fresh turned rotors, light layer of anti-seize on any surface the pad tips rub on, fresh grease on slider bolts, everything. Did both vehicles this weekend...one on Friday and one Saturday. They both squeak and squeal like crazy. It's soo completely ghetto sounding it's annoying. It's sounds as bad as it did when they needed a brake job...WTF??? Is this going to go away? Anyone else have experience with EBC pads to tell me if it's just these pads or not? Thanks guys.

For the record, both feel completely awesome!!!!
 
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Old May 29, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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Man, brand new brakes all around on both vehicles... EBC 7000 on the front, and Ultimax pads on the rear of my truck. EBC Uliltmax pads all the way around on the wifes car. Fresh turned rotors, light layer of anti-seize on any surface the pad tips rub on, fresh grease on slider bolts, everything. Did both vehicles this weekend...one on Friday and one Saturday. They both squeak and squeal like crazy. It's soo completely ghetto sounding it's annoying. It's sounds as bad as it did when they needed a brake job...WTF??? Is this going to go away? Anyone else have experience with EBC pads to tell me if it's just these pads or not? Thanks guys.

For the record, both feel completely awesome!!!!
From what I understand they will squeal for the first 1k miles at worst. This will be my next install.
 
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Old May 29, 2007 | 02:50 PM
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I haven't used those pads before, but generally a pad squeal like you describe is because of the quality of either the pads or the rotors.

Spectra One pads are hard to find, but I've had the best luck with them. Never had a set squeal at all.
 
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Old May 30, 2007 | 07:42 AM
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On my Lincoln I had installed EBC rotors are pads. The brakes squealed all the time (up to about 20K miles on them), and I could never get rid of it. So, good luck with that. I will never buy EBC again. On the other hand, I have had great experienced with Porterfield, and customer service is great, too.
 
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Old May 30, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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Just out of curiousity, did you anti-sieze the backs of the pads too? Having cleaned with a wire wheel the piston(s) and the other side well, then anti-sieze, anti-sieze all points of contact, especially that top butterfly looking spring that fits onto the inside top of the caliper. Could also be the small tabs on the sliders aren't bent down. If the pads were crap and didn't like the rotors, you'd think it would take a few miles, like a few thousand from past experiences.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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Man, I wish you good luck with your EBC parts. I put new Powerslot rotors and Hawk LTC brake pads on my '01 SCrew a few months ago, and everytime the brakes heat up to a certain point (and I live in Florida, so they reach that temp quickly) they squeal like crazy. It's driving me absolutely nuts. I called Hawk's customer service, and they sent me a new set of front pads. I installed them a couple weeks ago, and they squeal every bit as bad as the first set of pads did. I guess we're just supposed to buy a new truck whenever the original equipment brakes wear out.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 12:40 PM
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I've had great luck with Bendix and a fresh turn on the rotors.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 08:37 PM
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Ya, I dunno about all these fancy pads, ceramics mostly, and slotted cross drilled rotors. Save that kinda headaches for the tuner kidzzz who can't hear brake squeel due to the stereo. Regular rotors and the ever popular semi-metallic pads by Carquest (Raybestos), the blues, or Wagner Thermoquiets do everything seemingly well. If it aint dust, it's noise, or pad life or god knows what else with others. I'm sure brands like Bendix or brands similar make equally as good of product, key is to stick to semi-metallics on a good rotor.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 09:43 AM
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'01 Supercrew small V8, 4WD:
My front rotors(original equipment) & pads were changed 3 weeks ago.
Passenger side gives mild screeching sound once the brakes heat up. The sound is not altered by breaking, only slowing down or speeding up. I pulled the tire off to examine the pads/rotors for scoring but they aren't showing any. My question is, what is the metal clip for that is attached to the calliper? It appears to be the culprit. I sprayed anti-seize on the pad(external sides) and the calliper side of this metal clip. Since the application of the "AS" it takes longer for the heat-up process to cause the screeching. Is this metal clip necessary? Do I need to replace it? or is it possible that the new rotors are slightly larger than the original ones? I'm not sure what the shop installed.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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cant go wrong with wagner thermoquiets.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 05:49 PM
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Second on the thermoquiets. I was having break squeeking issues on my fronts after replacing them this winter.. Went with the cheap pads.. SUCKED. Broke down and got the thermoquiets and have been a happy camper since.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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EBC greenstuff pads come precoated with anti-squeal, you shouldn't apply anything to them. Best bet would be remove them, lightly sand the surface of the pad, then apply a very light coat of anti-squeal and try again. Ihave about 10K on my EBC's and they don't squeal at all with slotted/drilled rotors
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BLUE20004X4
Ya, I dunno about all these fancy pads, ceramics mostly, and slotted cross drilled rotors. Save that kinda headaches for the tuner kidzzz who can't hear brake squeel due to the stereo. Regular rotors and the ever popular semi-metallic pads by Carquest (Raybestos), the blues, or Wagner Thermoquiets do everything seemingly well. If it aint dust, it's noise, or pad life or god knows what else with others. I'm sure brands like Bendix or brands similar make equally as good of product, key is to stick to semi-metallics on a good rotor.

I couldn't agree with you more! When I first got my F150, I went with the crowd and got the Porterfield pads. I made myself believe they were better than OEM pads, all the while suffering from reduced braking and more noise. But I read how great they were, how quiet they were, and how they stopped much better... Well 10,000 miles later I FINALLY ditched them. IMO I had them on my truck for about 9,999 miles too many. I now have Bendix TitaniuMetalic pads with NAPA Ultra Premium pads. I couldn't be happier. Not only are they quiet, but the braking performance is sooooooo much better than the Porterfields. Only draw back is the dusting is back (but not as bad as OEM pads).

I don't know why the F150 crowd has migrated towards the ceramic and/or kevlar pads over the past few years. I mean ceramic pads have their place an purpose, but they do NOT belong on a 6000+ lbs truck. Yes they do last longer, and yes the do have less dust; but the major drawback is that they don't desipate heat very well at all.

There's a very useful training video on Bendix's website here... Video #2 discusses the various friction materials as well as their appropiate application.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:19 PM
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I don't know anyone with the EBC stuff.... I never wanted to try it because of the color on the back of the pads ( green, yellow) WTF is that. But I've used raybestos semi-metallics on all my trucks and never had a sqeak out of them.

I currently have a '05 F150 4x2 super-crew
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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I’ve been using EBC Green Stuff 6000 pads and Raybestos PG Plus rotors without problem for a while now. The only complaint I have is the pads seem to have less bite when they’re cold. If I get a little heat into them then they grab much better. I had the right front off yesterday and they don’t look any more glazed over than normal, so I just figure it’s the compound. I don’t get any noise out of them like you’re getting, though.
 
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