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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 08:34 PM
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Blown Plug stripped threads

Originally Posted by feefer
Hi all,

This is a cross-post from the Lightning forum re: a mechanical problem that may be an issue of interest to other F-150 owners.

Add my name to the list of trucks with blown spark plugs/ stripped cylinder heads.......

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...threadid=53172

Mine is a stock 1998 F-150 5.4L V-8 with 82,000 miles, bought in late August 1998.

I was driving 35 mph when a plug blew (don't know which one, yet, and I didn't think to ask the mechanic), and suddenly my F-150 sounds and runs like a two-stroke lawnmower engine.

Of course, the aluminum threads of the cylinder head were completely stripped when the threads holding the plug failed, and the plug came out explosively, and that means the cylinder head will have to be replaced; it'll be in the shop until next Friday (Labor Day weekend and all), and he estimated $1,500 to $2,500 for labor alone on this very labor-intensive job.

When I bought the truck, I had purchased the extended warranty for an additional $1k, but of course it expired 7,000 miles ago, which I'll easily put on in 3 months (I bought the truck almost 4 years ago to the day).

The non-Ford mechanic said he'd only seen maybe (3) blown plugs total in the 10 years he's been running his auto repair shop; that statement is what led me on a Yahoo! search to this site. I come here, only to find plenty of other F-150 owners who've had the same problem....

After reading other's posts, I now realize that the hiss I heard over the past few weeks and thought was a small exhaust leak was probably a compression leak around the plug.

These are the original factory plugs: I had not replaced them, so it can't be blamed on over-tightening, etc. Their torque was the result of FoMoCo torquing during manufacture.

I called the Ford dealership (quite accommodating folks before I laid down $36,000 to buy) and talked to a mechanic in the Service Dep't: he denied knowing of any problems or a TSB being issued pertaining to the aluminum cylinder head/plugs for any Ford car or truck (although he did mention changing a head for a blown plug on a Mustang just last week).

I'm obviously not a mechanic, but is it reasonable for an aluminum cylinder head to have only 4 threads holding the plugs in such a powerful engine? If this problem is as common as it seemingly is, isn't this something that should be subject to complaints to Ford, NTSB, and/or a recall, especially if Ford continues to offer no reasonable response?

Griping on a BBS is one thing, but where do you go to lodge a formal complaint in writing with either Ford (initially) or elsewhere?

All info and shared experiences are appreciated, as we're all in this together (like the door-crack and rear-window leak issue, amongst others).

PS the "take-home message" to other F-150 owners who haven't experienced this problem yet is to check your plugs regularly: they can (and do) work themselves loose from the cylinder head for no apparent reason, even after extremely low mileage, and then can fail catastrophically as a result, effectively totaling the engine.

Chris
This happened 3 times, 2002 F150. The local shop did a thread insert cost about $500.00 each time.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2013 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil F-150 06'
My truck has 95ish thousand miles and yesterday an a military transfer across country, the engine blew up. The dealership said the crankshaft barrings were worn out and that caused the crankshaft to slip back and forth thus causing a knock. In a short amount of time that knock led to the rear seal blowing out and loss of oil pressure. I called the Ford 800 number and expressed my concerns with the engine problems and the best answer they and was.......sorry that happened. I told them I wasn't happy with that answer and if that is the best they have, I am no longer a Ford guy!

From reading this blog, there are several issues ranging from plugs to valves leading to a host of concerns that seem to go unanswered by Ford Motor Company. If I buy a $40K truck, I expect to at least get 200K out of the engine before there are major issues.

Bottom line--I think there needs to be some sort of recall on the 5.4l engine. Ford needs to make this right if they want to keep my business!!!
Feel your pain, My 04FX4screw had 67k on it, since the day it left the dealer it has had the oil changed every 3500 miles with Ford Semi Synthetic and Motorcraft oil filters. Traveling down I81 and the truck starts to studder, check engine light comes on and truck is dead... Long story short, the plug on #3 came apart inside the cylinder which resultedi n a hole in the piston, cylinder and head damage to the point the repair shop determined a new or remanufactured motor was needed. I'm disabled with spinal cord injuries so I live on a fixed income. Bougth this truck new knowing it would be my only means of transportation and felt confident with proper maintence I could get 200k out of it easily. Now I sit with a est. of well over 6k to reapir a truck with 67k needing a new motor and no means of making this happen. Called FORD explaining my disability and begging for some kind of help only to be told things happens and they are sorry for my issues but there is not a single thing they can do to help me with this issue......Winters upon us and now I sit without a vehicle or the means to come up with this kind of money for the repair..... To say I'm so disgusted with Ford is a understatement and I've never owned anything but Ford products.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2013 | 12:50 PM
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so was the motor detonating???
 
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Old Oct 31, 2013 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tarajerame
so was the motor detonating???

No the motor was not nor did it ever detonate...........Always have ran brand name fuels. Truck was running fine then started studdering and ck engne light came on and this was the result. I've also used Lucas fuel additives in it from day one. Talked with the shop this afternoon again and it shows no signs of running lean on any of the cylinders after he removed the heads. Total motor replacement is needed and on a fixed income it's looking like a very long winter for me here in the mtns.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2013 | 11:41 PM
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I've also used Lucas fuel additives in it from day one.
Why? They don't do anything for you except drain your wallet.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2013 | 12:55 AM
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Old Nov 1, 2013 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by glc
Why? They don't do anything for you except drain your wallet.
The service manager at the dealership I bought it at told me by all means use a good quality fuel additive in the truck . I asked what he would suggest and he said we don't sell it but Lucas is what we reccomend to all our customers.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2013 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TSR
The service manager at the dealership I bought it at told me by all means use a good quality fuel additive in the truck . I asked what he would suggest and he said we don't sell it but Lucas is what we reccomend to all our customers.
I'm an accountant and I discovered long ago that I know more about these engines, what TSBs are out there, etc than any service manager I have dealt with except one. I also know more about the trucks than the salesmen. The only fuel additive I would use would be Techron. I would not use any oil additive.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2013 | 08:34 PM
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Lucas is what we reccomend to all our customers.
Even though Ford Motor Company specifically recommends Techron?

If you use a quality top tier gasoline, you don't need any additives.

By the way, Chevron and Texaco gas already have Techron in it.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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time for some common sense and a a $250 motor from a wrecking yard
 
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tarajerame
time for some common sense and a a $250 motor from a wrecking yard
Common Sense did kick in and I searched for 3 weeks to find a motor at a JY, Had 97k on it, 30 day replacement for a warranty at the price of $2300.00 Offered the guy$1800 and he laughed at me and said, you know how many of these pig motors we sell a yr? I knew then he wasn't moving on his price.......
Had a friend direct me to a company out of Addison,Tx where I located a long block with a 3yr 100k warranty for little more than the JY wanted for a motor with 97k.
 
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