WOW;
Doesn't Rj sound like a total Jack###. He comes on here and starts up all this bull. He writes that he ownes a chevy 1500 and a ford. And all he does is diss his ford. And that he is in the middle of a Ford buyback. Then why in the Hell is he here. Why doesn't he go find a Chevy site so he can bad mouth us FORD fans in peace. There is no reason in the world that he should be one here. At least that is my oppinion!! Some of the stuff is just rediculious, I especially like the one about Toyota comming out with there new Body design first {what a joke} LMFAO!!!! DUH..... Talk to you all later.

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Hey Pball,
Check out the post by mastercraft,sounds like there are a lot more dissatisfied ford owner that are getting screwed by ford. ford does not even think ahead when they redesign a wheelbase to widen up the assembly line. Instead they produce trucks with tires getting rips from the assembly line.ford likes people like you. They call them human test dummies. Do you have a TV ?
Change your log in to Oscar
I bet you would be happy if ford put a used milk jug in place of your radiator and told you they changed specs.


[This message has been edited by Rj (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

RJ youre a complete and utter moron, nothing more to say about you.

Why are you still avoiding my questions? I made a lot of good and valid points, yet you will post about everything but my comments! You are a silly little kid. Run back home to mommy.

WE just need to complete disregard anything this child says. He is apparently a troll and looking for the attention he lacks in real life. He's a loser, period point blank. Just dont reply to him anymore...he will leave.

[This message has been edited by LikeLinus (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

I"ve had 2 slapping 5.4s and my 01 has the ticking on start up,left side and it started at 50 miles. It is not Piston Slap, and anyone who says they haven't heard of PS killing a engine, well you've heard it from me, my 00 died from PS.

Another thing, a Ford member asked a question that started this topic and all but a few have addressed his problem, the rest seem to want to play bad mouth with this Chevy guy.....GET BACK on topic...

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mastercraft,

97 had problems, 99 needed 4 motors and you still bought a 2001.
I guess that shows that people only remember the bad things because you must have had some reason to by another Ford!

rj - let's just see how GREAT your Chevy is. Go get the keys, get in, start it up and drive it for 250,000 miles!

( That ought to give us a little break from his annoying nonsense!)

P.S. I'd rather push my Ford than drive a Chevy! So even if I do have problems w/ it I'll still be happy!


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I agree with dogcam. Ticking at startup hardly sounds like piston slap to me. Anyway, here's some text copied from a link posted by znstr.

There is a real nice yet little known test for piston slap I'll pass along. Some test results can be mixed or ambiguous but this one is 100% and I've never seen it wrong after using it for the last 10 years.

When the engine is cold, the aluminum piston is small in comparison to it's iron cylinder. Therefore the rather hollow slapping noise will be loudest first thing in the morning. After the engine warms up, the aluminum piston heats up faster than it's iron cylinder, cutting down on the excessive clearance between the piston and cylinder wall.

So, the test is this:
First thing in the morning, start the engine up and run it for 15 seconds while you listen carefully and memorize the sound and it's intensity. Shut it down quickly, pull the spark plugs and put two squirts of motor oil into each cylinder. Reinstall the plugs, fire the engine up again and listen.

If you have piston slap the noise will have been greatly reduced or even eliminated…..for 15 or 20 seconds that is, and then your nightmare noise will come back like a Marine Corps marching band coming toward you in the parade.

If you're considering doing this test, I would suggest changing the plugs, even if it's a case of installing OEM plugs. We all know what a PITA it is to change the plugs on the 5.4L.

As for Rj and Mastercraft, the latter's inconsistencies are explanation enough; but Rj, you "claim" to be a quality engineer working in Michigan, you SHOULD know better.




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I have purchased several Ford products and several GM products over the last several years. The quasi-chevy cars ('86 Chevy Nova and '90 Geo Prizm) never went back to the dealer, but because they were more Toyota than Chevy. The true Chevy ('97 Malibu) stayed in the shop too much (e.g. faulty control arm bushings, engine stalling after cold startup due to faulty oil pressure regulator causing lifters to hold valves open, etc). The oil pressure problem caused some engines to balloon the oil filter and some to rupture. It took three trips to the dealer before they could figure it out, and they even had a TSB out on it.

The last two pickups, I bought Fords because Chevy didn't offer what I wanted. In 99, I wanted a four-door extended cab and Chevy didn't make one. In 2000, I wanted a crew cab (without having to but a long 3/4 ton) and Chevy didn't make one (and they still don't). Not only is Chevy a follower rather than a leader, they also take a long time to catch up.

 

You're right, we did get off topic. But that Chevy guy got me started.

My '99 F-150 w/ 5.4L had a faint knocking sound for a little while after startup when it was cool. I took it to the dealer and left it overnight so it would be cool in the morning. They said it sounded like all 5.4's and sent me on my way. I'm guessing it was the dreaded piston slap. I have an '01 Supercrew now. It doesn't do it. I used Motorcraft 5w30 in both, except I just switched over to Mobil 1 5w30 at 20,000 in the '01.

P.S. Never use 10w30 in a 4.6 or a 5.4. You could ruin the engine. My dealer has seen it happen. Stay with 5w30 or the new 5w20.

[This message has been edited by DanDothanAL (edited 05-25-2001).]

 

I could see that being the case in a climate that's on the colder side, but when the outside temperature never drops below 60F then I don't see the harm in using 10W-30. At 60F most engine oils flow very well and there is no appreciable difference (at 60F) between a 5W or 10W oil. In fact, many experts believe that you want to keep the range as small as possible as in the case of 5W-20. So for a hot climate in a '00 5.4L, 10W-30 may be better than 5W-30. I just changed my oil from Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 to Mobil 1 10W-30. Costco sells Mobile 1 for $3.67/quart so I had to try it.

Any comments?


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You can try to dog CR with that one, but it won't stick. They have NO paying sponsors. They run NO ads. They buy the cars and trucks they test from lots. They aren't loaned to them or given to them like all the other car "rags". They aren't perfect, but the reliablity data does come from actual owners, not "J.D. Powers".

My 5.4 makes the same sound. I don't sweat it. I figure my head gasket will blow or the block will crack before PS wears it out



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IMO any engine is going to make a little noise. Yes there may be piston slap and some may be worse than others. On really cold morning's I have noticed a slight "tick" to the engine but always thought it was just the oil had not pumped it's way threw the engine yet or that it was just a little lifter tap. Now that it is warmer weather and since the switch to Mobil my engine is perfectly quiet ( except for a slight knock from the tensioner pulley arm). As for the crap about the 10w30 I diffently thin kthat is bull. I ran 10w30 QS 4x4 all winter and had no troubles whats so ever. Your engine is not so picky that it can only use 5w30 or 5w20. Sorry they are just not designed that way. IMO the reccomendation to use the 5w20 was based on emissions and MPG. This is only my opinion, beleive what you want.

 

My dealer in south Alabama says he has seen some engines ruined by 10w30, and our weather is real mild. If it doesn't fall within Ford's specifications, I wouldn't use it.

 

KYFordFreak,
I agree with you completely about the bs surrounding 5W-30 and 10W-30. There is absolutely no reason that 10W-30 in a warm climate would harm an engine designed for 5W-30. I don't care about the "my brother's, cousin's, sister's, friend's truck blew up because of 10W-30 oil" stories. Some dealership in Alabama has "seen" engines fail with 10W-30 in them. The same engines would have failed with 5W-30 in them. You could fill a university library with the misinformation provided by service writers, mechanics etc. In more than 20 years of car/truck ownership, I've only found one dealership that truly did a good job... Ron Tonkin's Acura in Portland, Oregon. The other twenty or so don't have a clue.

Sometimes you just have to use common sense. This is one such time. Ford recommends 5W-20 for one reason ... fuel economy. Ford has one of the worst track records as far as the EPA is concerned, and this is simply an attempt to claim better gas mileage figures to comply with CAFE standards.

Sorry for the rant ...

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'98 4.0L 5spd Jeep Wrangler Sport
'95 3.8L SC Thunderbird
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Its all bullshi$ use 10w 40 in the summer then 10w 30in the winter it has worked for me for over 30 years and it will continue to work into the future.................................
HOGWASH TO ALL THE MONEY GRABBERS IN THE OIL IND. ISN'T TAKING OUT HARD EARNED MONEY FOR HIGH PRICED GAS ENOUGH????????????????? GET OVER IT EXXON AND MOBIL, YOUR PROFITS ARE HIGHER THEN OUR TRUCKS COULD EVER BE. FREAKS

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Better 1/2 : 92 Red T-Bird.

 

GEt this I am on the third engine, one at 17,000Km and another at 70,000Km. Pretty sad having problems finding the Ford quality and to boot I took it back 3 times before it ran right, also just descouvered that they foregot my block heater. Also had the door replaced because of the crack! 3 tensioner pulleys and diff clutches front drive shaft yoke, ect........ have to sell it before the extend warranty runs out, don't ya think!!!!!!