Your comments on "but now they are TOYOTA look alikes except TOYOTA came out with their body design first.ford should have copied their engine." Are as misinformed and ignorant as anything i've seen. Actually if i recall right, Toyota was going to call their truck the "T-150", which Ford turned around and told them they were going to sue if they used that name. How unimaginative can you get? T-150? T-100? Toyota then decided to use "Tundra". Toyota also stole the body style of Ford and did not come out first. Their engines are a joke. Toyota's largest engine is a DOHC 4.7 w/ 245hp. It can only tow 5,000lbs!! I think i'll stick with my 5.4 265hp 7,200lbs towing monster.. thank you very much.


Last but not least, your number on the recalls are ALL wrong.

http://www.alldata.com/TSB/11/991133GC.html
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/11/991136FY.html

http://www.alldata.com/TSB/991133_en.html (C series 15000)

http://www.alldata.com/TSB/991136_en.html (K series 1500)

Actually go through and read all the TSB's on every engine (or just the 5.3 to make you happy) and see how many there are. There are HUNDREDS of TSB's on the 1999 truck. I didnt even take the time to look through the 2000's, but there are a good number of them too. If you open your eyes and quit living in ignorance you will realize Chevy does NOT make a quality truck. My project manager quit working for GM in '98. I still believe their quality control process is still lacking and did NOT get up and change overnight, regardless of what you think. Every automaker has problems in their production line. I would LOVE to see you build 10's of thousands of cards daily w/ each one of them having thousands of parts in JUST the engine..and not have any problems! With the complexity of building cars, especially at such a large volume, you are bound to run into problems. Every company does. So for your pathetic existance to sit here and dog Ford, while on the f150online message board, just further goes to show your lack of intelligence and your antics to seek attention (negative or not) to try and build up your low self esteem.


Yet again, let me reiterate.

GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE.

 

Is this the old "Turd in the swimming pool" post?

 

I thought I had piston slap also but all post agree piston slap stops when the trans is put in gear. Mine does not. Pull away and the ticking increases with rpm. The tick presents itself sometimes at start-up but then just stops. All I can tell you is it has been doing this for 92,000 miles with no problems. Some think the ticks come from the fuel injectors. I don't know. All I can tell you is my truck is still running great. I keep Mobile one in it as insurance.

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Black 1997 F-150 Supercab Flairside. 4.6L with Superchip, Jacobs DIS, K&N Generation II, Cat back Exhaust with Flowmaster 40 and MEG'S Stainless tip in front of rear wheel (nice rumble). 17" Off Road wheel pkg. Lots of body mods. 5 yrs old and still turns heads...and now paid for!! New is NITTO NT404 275/65/17's and Hellwig 1/7/16 front and 1 1/8 rear bar.

 

My PSP(aronoia) has subsided. I had not used my truck for a few days and decided to put another 1/2 qt. (motorcraft 5w-20) to bring the level to max on the dipstick (6.5 qts). The first "first start of day" following that added oil was absent the tapping noise. The next 1st startup of day was also absent the tapping noise. Btw, there is some info that supports my original impression that the noise was related to the valve train/cam area. On the oilfilter study site posted in the Mobile 1 or Motorcraft Oil Filters? thread, reference is made to "valve train noise,etc" in relation to "anti-drainback valve functionality". On another site I learned that the OHC eng takes much more oil in the upper end (so more time required at startup to deliver/receive it). However,I don't think I have enough facts or knowledge to know without a doubt what the source/cause of that noise was. I will continue to monitor the eng sounds and report if the noise comes back or not or anything that may be of interest...................

 

PS, Thanks for all the illuminating posts so far,ie, Ford bashing ones excluded.....

 

rj, you want proof? look at the april issue of consumer reports, the auto issue. this report is based on the REAL ACTUAL experiences of owners. the only vehicle that was worse than the chevy/gmc silverado was the jeep. Several magazines and automotive raters continue to rate Ford higher than chevy because of GM's poor build quality. So, blow crap all you want to. The proof is out there. P.S. go to the wards automotive site and look at their 10 best engines choices. Ford 5.4L V-8 is there; Silverado is not, and they'll tell you why. But I don't think you're listening.

 

There's a reason he hasn't come back and opened his fat mouth. He's been proven ignorant and flat out wrong.

 

...and he's scurried home with his tail between his legs



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1999 F150 4x4, wedgewood blue, 5.4l auto, Manick brush guard, Duraliner, KC Hilites, surf rod holders, tinted windows, K&N air filter without airbox, Velocity air intake tube, Midas Performance muffler with dual pipes, Bilstein shocks, toolbox, Kenwood CD, Uniden CB with whip, and a good 'ole Superchip.

 

He's back!!!! Hey guys miss me, sounds like it.Would you like some cheese with your wine.Consumer magazine come on you can do better then that.I bet you believe National Enquirer Mag. is all true. Do you guys work for ford,hanging around this site trying to defend your master.

 

Were you grounded for the weekend?

Even talking like he's defeated. You make no remarks about my statements or links? You then trash consumer reports. Wow i guess everyone is wrong and you are right?!? Yippy. Now try going back and reading what i wrote and responding to it in an intelligent manner (not just, "that sucks!"). I showed you TSB's for Chevy trucks numbering in the hundreds (as compaired to your 30 or so).

The 5.4 is rated as one of the top 10 engines. The Chevy 5.3 isnt (as someone else pointed out). Also the Ford has a higher rating according to Consumer Reports. It is also has a 4, 4, and 5 star crash rating

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/988.html

While the Chevy Silverado recieved a 3,4, not tested!

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/1456.html

So the Ford is safer, has a top 10 engine, is the best selling truck for 22 straight years? (not positive about this number, it was 19 straight years in 1997, i'm pretty sure no one has beaten them in the past few years either).

Ford built the first pickups in 1925. Hmmm, Chebby or Ford? Think i'll stick with the Ford.

Ford was also has been listed as one of the most environmentally friendly vehicles.

http://www.enn.com/news/wire-stories...f150_10095.asp

Need i keep going?
Class Dismissed.

 

rj, what a fantastic response! you got your proof from a highly respected consumer magazine. so you compare it to national enquirer in a lame attempt to discredit the information. . . . told you that you weren't listening . . . truth hurts doesn't it?

 

Most magazines write to boast the products of paying sponsors. The data I quoted was taken directly from this sites TSB's and a GM board as I tried to point out to you.TSB's are not fictional fabricated stories. They are text book reports designed to assist service tech's trouble shoot problems. I am also sorry I did not have time to compare every car,truck and engine. I only compared 2 trucks of equal. ford and Chevy 5.4 & 5.3 extended cab trucks. I do not claim to be a professional analyst. Only a consumer who first hand experienced the quality and customer relations of 2 of the major US car manufactures.

[This message has been edited by Rj (edited 05-21-2001).]

 

exactly what i thought. Nothing to back up his words and running home with his tail between his legs.

Maybe next time before you make uneducated responses about something you shouldn't even be talking about in the first place. You're just a troll with nothing better to do.

You also say "TSB's are not fictional fabricated stories" uh i don't know why you said this? No one is discrediting TSB's? I pointed out the fact that i could provide you with 100's of Chebby TSB's pretty darn easy. You are side stepping and avoiding issues. It sucks to be proven wrong, doesn't it?

And to quote you "Since you asked, smarty pants here are some numbers:"

Smartass.

 

I also have a tapping at first startup. I know in my case it's the lifters. Sometimes one lifter will leak down and it has to pump back up. Maybe use a mild oil additive to clean out the lifters. Good Luck.

And as for RJ's comments.... Ford sells more trucks than anyone else probably to a ratio of 3 to 1, of course there will seem to be more problems.

 

Anyone who thinks the 5.4 is one of the top 10 engines built would also believe Firestone is a safe tire. Live with one for a couple years and then come back and tell us about it. Especially a '99-2000 5.4. Head gaskets, oil leaks, piston slap, rough idle, yep sounds like a winner to me. I know, we had 4 different 5.4's put in a '99 and they all did the same damn thing. Ford is good at replecating the problems, but not solving it. After 5 years in production, the excuses have run out. My '97 didnt slap, but had other problems. My 2001, well the jury is still out, but it does not get the fuel mileage my '99 did.

Piston slap does not always go away in gear, some knock for as much as 5 minutes after being driven away. And yes, piston slap can sound like lifter noise, a lot of people have this problem and dont know they have it.

As for no failures, you can believe that if you want to, what else do you expect them to say? Ford would not be handing out warranties like coupons if there was nothing to it, just like they would not be replacing 20 million tires just for kicks. They dont spend one dime unless they have to.

And this mess over radiators is a joke, I mean you dont just put in a million wrong radiators and no one not know about it. Either they ran out of upgrades, or they just felt you would not notice. Either way they are ripping off the customer, pure and simple.

We just got a bulletin today on our Super Dutys that some have the orifice tube installed backwards in the A/C. I think my dog knows which way to install that. And more on transmission overheating in the 4r100, steering wander, front end squeak (which they have redesigned the front end bushings yet again, what is this the 4th one?)

Talk about quality control.


We have been a Ford family a long time, but we are about done with them, we are tired of the excuses, the poor design and control, and most of all, the arrogance shown by Dearborn and Atlanta when we do have legitimate problems to be addressed. I have better things to do with my time than argue over design flaws over and over.