Been away for awhile. Have they come up with a decent replacement plug yet? For those who used the Mustang plug did you have any performance issues. I figure IF I decide to keep the truck I will have to do the plugs soon otherwise it can be someone else's problem. If I keep it I'd rather put a 1 piece plug in and replace them more often for just the cost of the plug, rather than putting the multi piece plugs in and chance breaking.

 

Why go to a one piece that does not last? Just use the nickel anti-sieze on the shank and they come out. That way, you get the right plug for the job. The others are not the proper heat range.

 

Or you could do as I did and use the one piece Champions and not worry about breaking the stupid two piece plugs. I have 6000 miles on these plugs and they are working just fine. BTW the Champions are double platinum just like the Motorcrafts. I expect they will last just as long.

HYPO

 

I wouldnt bet the farm on that..

 

The risk is greater for problems running the Champion one piece plugs.

 

What "risk?"

Says who?

I keep hearing this, but nobody ever adds any documented details on what happens and why. Makes me doubt there is any real trouble with Champion plugs. Please, change my mind if you can.

In general, I have always like Autolites over Champion... but the THESE Autolites (and a rather silly Ford design) are causing me to spend extra money needlessly, and risking my engine with a known problem. Doesn't make me exactly happy. And, despite what people say, there is still a risk of the plugs separating a second time (dealer sources claim that it has happened). Champion offers up an answer to that problem. I'd rather change a plug without trouble sooner (if that's necessary, thus far I see no evidence that the Champs won't last a good long time) than have to fight later, and risking dropping bits of metal or porcelain into the cylinder.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be churlish here (well, maybe a little ( : < ) but I would genuinely like to see and hear the details of these alleged "issues" with Champion plugs.

 

here's documentation theres more try searching..
https://www.f150online.com/forums/v8...ent-plugs.html

 

Thanks for that reference, but it's not what would generally be called "documentation." I'd call that an anecdotal report, at best. Potentially valuable, but just as easily a isolated incident with a cause that might, or might not, be due to the spark plug. I'm looking for more objective information with clearcut and researched causes.

I've searched, and not just on this board (as if any forum was the center of the informational universe), and I see next to nothing.

I'm not looking to get into a urination contest with anyone, I genuinely want to know. To that end, I appreciate all reports, even if they are (to my mind) anecdotal. Enough anecdotes can make a trend... but I ain't seeing that yet.

 

About the best you will get is that several members have tried them and some of those had to replace them pretty quickly with problems. Some had no problem. It was enough for most of us to stick with Motorcraft since once you are going back, you eliminate the separtion problem. The Champions are just too expensive to take the risk for me. Plus, I think part of the problem is that they are not the correct heat range.

 

Let us know how they work out for you so we can add that..

 

Okay, here's something for me to chew on!

"Not the correct heat range"

How was that determination made? Champion has been in the spark plug biz for a very, very long time. You'd think they could figure out how to get the heat range of a spark plug correct??? Anyway, that's something for me to research.

I will be trying the Champs. I have the plugs and I have the Lisle tool. I'll keep you posted.

 

I have never heard anything before about wrong heat range in these plugs. I have heard that about the Brisk plugs, as they are racing plugs. However, since the Champion plugs were specifically designed to address the breakage problem in stock engines, I would question this heat range statement. As I said earlier in the post, my truck has run flawlessly since the Champions were installed. I am frankly confused at this skepticism toward the Champions, as many of us have had very good service from them and the current plugs require all but an engineering degree to remove. Maybe it's just me, but a two piece plug was the LAST option I entertained.

HYPO

 

You may very well be correct on the heat range info. When I get time, I will try to use the Advance Search, see if I can locate any information on it. Good luck with the Champions. I will stick to Motorcraft. The ones I removed at 65,000 could easily have gone to 100,000 and the current set will go to at least 90,000 before I pull them.

 

Way to many bad reports from users. Just run it until it quites. Don't try to claim anything, - read you warranty, stickers under the hood and book in glove-box. The manufacturer can only help so much in pointing you in the right direction. I can't believe how many people go out of their way to hurt their vehicles and think their that much smarter than everyone else, -including their vehicle manufacturer.

Champion have been tried, they have failed. Don't ask me for "Data", fricken look it up yourself, it's old news. Just don't try to push BAD products here and steer good people in the wrong direction.

 

Fixed it for you.