So says "jbrew!" Well, I guess that's all that needs to be said about it, huh? Everything that comes outta every orifice of his body is just wonderful and how dare anyone question it.

I asked for information, not a boatload of bovine scatology. I have frickin' (you misspelled that) looked it up and most of what I see is a bunch of secondhand opinions like yours based on very little more than heresay. I'm looking for a little more of that stuff you disdain... data!

My mental health is not tied up in whether the Autolites/Motorcrafts are good and Champs crappy, or vice versa. Not owning stock in either company, I don't have a horse in that race. They are what they are and I guess I'll find out soon enough on my own.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Here is another thread with some pics.

https://www.f150online.com/forums/v8...ent-plugs.html

 

I gave him that link further up and told him to use the search-there are at least a dozen posts on champion failures on this board. More then any other 3v plug. He wants to have the 2 piece plug solution period. Not interested in anything else.
Champion came through with a great fix unfortunately they didnt seem to make a reliable plug and the information IS here to support that statement.

 

Ok, that's what I get for not reading every post. Sorry about that.

 

These kind of people don't admit to failure. They try to get you to work for them unknowingly, sort of. Like vultures in away, - serious. They /he already knows what's out there, specially this guy who's looking for some way to beat up Ford Motor Co.

Not you Jethat, -Mr. Allen.

 

Yep, saw that. Thing is, guys, this board isn't all there is in the world. Try doing a wider search and just about all bad that comes up is on this board. The 'Stang forums seem to love the Champs. So you have a dozen or so posts of people here with problems using Champs. OK. There are thousands, maybe millions of people using Champs with no problems. Statistically, this is not a good sampling to reach a good conclusion. Plus, I don't usually make a decision solely on other peoples opinions.

I'm not saying Champions DON'T suck. I'm not saying they DO suck. I'm just saying there isn't enough here to make that judgement. I'm pretty sure I can say the Autolites/Motorcrafts suck. There is likely DATA to show that at least 50 percent of them break off. To me, that mean "SUCK." And I'd rather not put that back into my truck. The RISK plugs are an option but they are too cool in the heat range and not a long term unit.

Well, after I put the plugs in, and if they have a problem, I won't have any trouble telling you what happened. What will be, will be.

And if jbrew is still listening, I musta caught you on a bad day. You sure caught me on one. Let's call it even, huh.

 

We think differently and that is fine. This board is enough for me. If 2 or 3 out of 6 or 7 that have stated they tried them, I know which bunch I would be in if I tried them. I had great luck with the Motorcraft, I will stick with them. Good luck with them, I hate for anyone to have a problem.

 

When those Champion plugs came out there was excitement from the members of this board. There were those that were skeptical (I myself had bad experience with Champion 30 years ago and would never use one) But there were many here who thought great they must be the fix.. I haven't seen 1 person who has installed them who came back saying they are a great plug. Not one person has posted I got 50,000 miles on my Champions and they work great. Could have missed it so maybe there's 1. This is one of the busiest F-150 boards on the internet so one might think that if the Champions were even moderatly decent we would get some information that way. Hasnt been any I've seen.

 

jbrew: I take back my conciliatory comment above.

Are you on crack? Or did you just pull your head out of one? What kind of an insane observation is that? Beat up Ford? I used to work for them, you TWIT. I have two of them now and have owned two others in the past. Failures? Oh yeah, I got a bunch. Getting baited into a urination contest with a skunk like you is one of them.

This forum is a place to share experience and information. That was my sole intention coming onto this thread until you came along. Learn when I can. Help when I can. Nothing has changed except that I wasted this little bit of time venting.

 

Okay guys, no more of the bashing from either one. Thanks

 

The only Champion spark plug I am aware of that is creating issues is the Copper Plus when used in an aluminum head. These plugs can seize even with anti-seize compound in as little as 500 miles. The usual fix is having to replace the affected head. Other than the folks that have posted about their issues here, there does not seem to be any nation wide failures that has caught the attention of Federal Mogul or any of the R&D centers. Most of the issues I've seen here are not directly the fault of the plug. Detonation will destroy any plug regardless of brand or construction. But the consensus across all of the boards is that the Motorcraft work best in the 5.4. I currently have Autolite Double Platinums in my 4.6 with 20,000 trouble free miles on them......but that's a 4.6, not a 5.4. But when in doubt, usually the best replacement part is from the auto maker, not the after market.

 

Thanks for the info on the new Champions. Going that route with my truck. Did some searching for failures and other than the odd unexplained mishap there is nothing. Knowing how you Americans like to sue if there was a problem with these plugs the class actions would be coming out from all directions.

As far as the comments "I had trouble 20 years ago" well a lot has changed and I suggest you get with the times. New fangled dodads grrrrrr

Again I thank the progressive thinking people for their comments.

 

If we are so lawsuit happy, why are there not thousands of suits against Ford for the Motorcraft plugs?

 

I smell Champion marketing representatives..