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Differential Pressure Feedback EGR Sensor
The DPFE sensor is a ceramic, capacitive type pressure transducer. The sensor outputs a voltage to the PCM in direct proportion to the pressure drop across the orifice in the EGR pipe. In this way the PCM can make an accurate assessment of the gas flow through the tube. Two different sensors are in use, one metal cased and the other plastic. These sensors should not be interchanged - further, some sensors have a modified voltage output.
Sensor view and data:


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My DPFE Sensor Data (functioning correctly or as they should) ~

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Numbers @ The Connector
Here's some readings / (Engine Off)
Key Off:
Bottom wire VREF = 0.02
Middle wire SIG RTN = 0.00
Top wire SIGNAL = 0.02
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Key in run position (Engine Off)
Key On:
Bottom Wire VREF = 5.08
Middle Wire SIG RTN = 0.04
Top Wire SIGNAL = 5.05
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Well, I made a short video for you guys Tumba/usmc14. Here's what changes (how it's suppose to work) when running thru the rpms. Monitoring CENTER wire (Signal return) -
http://picasaweb.google.com/jbrew393...07882591006386
Reference voltage is that of the middle wire (SIG RTN) before start KOEO~0.04/ KOER~0.10 to WOT~0.19. This is what needs to change with flow/RPMS. Your numbers may vary and - should be higher than mine since I'm running Long Tubes and HF Cats.
Hope this helps, - it better
The DPFE sensor is a ceramic, capacitive type pressure transducer. The sensor outputs a voltage to the PCM in direct proportion to the pressure drop across the orifice in the EGR pipe. In this way the PCM can make an accurate assessment of the gas flow through the tube. Two different sensors are in use, one metal cased and the other plastic. These sensors should not be interchanged - further, some sensors have a modified voltage output.
Sensor view and data:


_________________________________________
My DPFE Sensor Data (functioning correctly or as they should) ~

__________________________________________
Numbers @ The Connector
Here's some readings / (Engine Off)
Key Off:
Bottom wire VREF = 0.02
Middle wire SIG RTN = 0.00
Top wire SIGNAL = 0.02
_______________________________
Key in run position (Engine Off)
Key On:
Bottom Wire VREF = 5.08
Middle Wire SIG RTN = 0.04
Top Wire SIGNAL = 5.05
__________________________________
Well, I made a short video for you guys Tumba/usmc14. Here's what changes (how it's suppose to work) when running thru the rpms. Monitoring CENTER wire (Signal return) -
http://picasaweb.google.com/jbrew393...07882591006386
Reference voltage is that of the middle wire (SIG RTN) before start KOEO~0.04/ KOER~0.10 to WOT~0.19. This is what needs to change with flow/RPMS. Your numbers may vary and - should be higher than mine since I'm running Long Tubes and HF Cats.
Hope this helps, - it better

Last edited by jbrew; Jul 16, 2009 at 11:33 PM.
Mine is definitely bad. But I've been down this road many times.
Mine has the bracket for the bolt on one. The dealership parts dept says mine is supposed to have the plastic one. I wonder since my vref is 4 volts instead of 5, have I been putting the wrong type on there. Before they crossed the lines that is. This has been a long term problem for me.
Thanks again jbrew
Mine has the bracket for the bolt on one. The dealership parts dept says mine is supposed to have the plastic one. I wonder since my vref is 4 volts instead of 5, have I been putting the wrong type on there. Before they crossed the lines that is. This has been a long term problem for me.

Thanks again jbrew
Last edited by Tumba; Aug 12, 2009 at 01:44 PM.
Mine is dedinatly bad. But I've been down this road many times.
Mine has the bracket for the bolt on one. The dealership parts dept says mine is supposed to have the plastic one. I wonder since my vref is 4 volts instead of 5, have I been putting the wrong type on there. Before they crossed te lines that is. This has been a long term problem dor me.
Thanks again jbrew
Mine has the bracket for the bolt on one. The dealership parts dept says mine is supposed to have the plastic one. I wonder since my vref is 4 volts instead of 5, have I been putting the wrong type on there. Before they crossed te lines that is. This has been a long term problem dor me.

Thanks again jbrew
No problem. Well, they do say that the difference between sensors is that some have a modified voltage out put. But what needs to function is the signal return like in the vid. If that's functioning (changing) - It's good. Yea, I would check the sig rtn, like I did,- first anyway.
Hey Tumba- Did the Video work on your end ? It didn't a couple of times here, but seems to be now. If it didn't on your end, then you have know idea what I'm talking about lol.
JBrew thanks for the video. It did play and I will being trying that in the next couple of days since it is already late and been a long day at the office. So I will back probe the DPFE with the red lead and then run the black lead to ground and then check off, at idle and then with increased RPMs I will let you you know the results. This is going to tick me off if I got a bad DPFE from Ford but I hope it is bad so I can finally get it fixed. thanks again
No problem. Well, they do say that the difference between sensors is that some have a modified voltage out put. But what needs to function is the signal return like in the video. If that's functioning (changing) - It's good. Yea, I would check the sig rtn, like I did,- first anyway.
Hey Tumba- Did the Video work on your end ? It didn't a couple of times here, but seems to be now. If it didn't on your end, then you have know idea what I'm talking about lol.
Hey Tumba- Did the Video work on your end ? It didn't a couple of times here, but seems to be now. If it didn't on your end, then you have know idea what I'm talking about lol.

The other end of that story is, I have a bad DPFE, I had the understanding of what was going on, and I just don't get much time to actually work on it, so everything is a slow go for me.
I always try to get my questions answered, hypothetically, and real time issues, Times are tough, and I have to keep seven cars up, and my day job too.
Last edited by Tumba; Jul 17, 2009 at 06:25 AM.
JBrew thanks for the video. It did play and I will being trying that in the next couple of days since it is already late and been a long day at the office. So I will back probe the DPFE with the red lead and then run the black lead to ground and then check off, at idle and then with increased RPMs I will let you you know the results. This is going to tick me off if I got a bad DPFE from Ford but I hope it is bad so I can finally get it fixed. thanks again
- But I used the battery ground since I could reach it easy enough.
The other end of that story is, I have a bad DPFE, I had the understanding of what was going on, and I just don't get much time to actually work on it, so everything is a slow go for me. That
I always try to get my questions answered, hypothetically, and real time issues, Times are tough, and I have to keep seven cars up, and my day job too.
I always try to get my questions answered, hypothetically, and real time issues, Times are tough, and I have to keep seven cars up, and my day job too.

Last edited by jbrew; Jul 17, 2009 at 01:33 AM.
That was pretty good, and proved to me ,what one problem is. So that is two different problems on the same system this week.
Last night, the other problem I had was a bearing on a mower deck, and a wheel caliper on the 98. I also think I'm going to Lengthen the brake master cylinder push rod on the 98 this weekend. The pedal is firm, but kind of low. I was reading an old thread about that issue and like what the guy did. I have already done it on the 97 when I had brake issues. But that had multiple problems also
Tonight it's going to be a cam sensor and actuator on the Envoy, and what ever else breaks today.
Last night, the other problem I had was a bearing on a mower deck, and a wheel caliper on the 98. I also think I'm going to Lengthen the brake master cylinder push rod on the 98 this weekend. The pedal is firm, but kind of low. I was reading an old thread about that issue and like what the guy did. I have already done it on the 97 when I had brake issues. But that had multiple problems also
Tonight it's going to be a cam sensor and actuator on the Envoy, and what ever else breaks today.
Last edited by Tumba; Jul 17, 2009 at 06:27 AM.


