Cool!

It would be neat to see a before and after dyno runs on your truck. I give that kind of real world info much more weight than charts from the vendor.

 

Can you ask if they'll share a dyno graph of either the Comp for FRPP cams in a 5.4? I'm considering a 3v swap and have been trying to determine if cams are worth the cost...

 

well, nothing is done to the engine at this time. there is 35's and 4:10's in it

I'm going by seat of my pants dyno for now. lol My nearest dyno is couple hours away, BUT...i may have found one 15 min. away, but not sure what they can do (haven't talked to anyone yet)

Ohhhh, cam set,2 bolts, x3 and he is sending tuning for cam's along with. Looking at (i forget exact number) close to 1300

I ended up down toward your neck of woods jwool, Texas
Dynojoe's

 

I found some dyno results from other guys on there mustangs.

stock, Comp and FRPP


I found couple graphs:

Scross down a little on this one, i'm not sure what he/she has done to car.
I found couple other dyno sheets on compare

The thumprs are green the hot rods are red, blue stock


http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=3&gl=us

 

Interesting, but a 4.6 and obviously one with ported heads with those numbers.... If that shop is doing "12 a week" they aught to have some results.....

 

good point. if i get time tomorrow i'll give him a call. I did ask between comp and FRPP. He told me same thing as what graph shows, But i'll still ask for some copies to be emailed to me.

probably want close to stock as possible, correct?

 

We Do have some results, But as Most know, Those results are different from every vechile on a dyno. I recieved the nick name DynoJoe due to the amount of time we spent on the dyno tuning cars, but I for one don't care much for Dyno numbers.


What I can tell you is this:
These cams in the 5.4 Trucks do Lose a bit of Low end Torque, But that is picked back up with a good tune and a set of gears.

As for the 3V Mustang Motors, they respond Great To these cams and the average we see on the dyno with these cams on untouched Motors is in the 345-360 range. That does include a Cold air intake , some CMC delete plates and a custom tune which we do in house, but by no means are these numbers exaggerate what the Ford Racing Hotrod Cams provide for power and Torque.

The trucks are a bit different in that they respond better to the tuning than the mustangs but provide a great Torue Line overall.


I will see if I can get one of our folks to scan and Post a Dyno graph of a stock Mustang before and after cams, but I know I don't have any dyno sheets from a Stock F150 with cams as the Majority that we do here get superchargers and tuning done. We have done several that showed n increase average of 25-35 to the wheels with just our cold air intake/ custom tuning package.


If there is any other Questions I can help answer Feel free to pm me or post up and I will do my best to answer any and all questions pertaining to the cams on these new motors.


Some one ablve said posted the lock out's are required on some cams, this is true but the Ford Version does not and only requires re-tuning of the ford Computer, We use the SCT software to do this and have had great success with this throug the years. The bigger the cam, the more in needed in the way of tuning and the Lockouts/Limiters, but if you with a cam big enough to require these, we also recommend upgrading the springs as this is very helpful in the long run.


Hope this helps out some.

 

For your Mustangs that are in the 345-360 range. How much of that do you feel is because of the cams? Will that tune along with the cams and mods keep the engine emissions compliant?

 

We've Gotten in the habit of doing a before and after dyno run on the stang's we do the cams to. We do this for 2 reasons's:
1st being the customer usually wants it done, but forgets to ask
2nd is for our personal use of seeing the difference in gains from car to car with the same tuning, and as close to possiable weather conditions as Possiable.

So on that, I would have to say the gain from the cam is in the Low range of 26 and the high range of 34-35. Now this is something we have seen, and this is what I have to judge by. I have talked to other well known tuners in the country and they are seeing similar gains as well, so that tells me that these gains are not flukes.

Now being that we live/work in Houston, Texas we are almost at Sea Level
(38FT) but when you factor in our Humidity, we are usually around 1600 Ft DA Level.

For Example, Today, According to the Dyno's Weather station and verfied with my personal weather staion the stats are as follows:

BARO- 29.97
Relative Humidity- 60%
Air Temp.- 79

Puts us at around :
Density Altitude: 1536 feet
Relative Density: 95.58 %

And this is average for us, so I can honestly say that the cams add a good, Solid 30HP and a good Mid to high range Torque on the stock cars, Now Factor in some other mods that help like Headers, Air Kit, Pulley's, head work and some engine work, you can have a good 400-425 Hp N/A car-TRuck now-a-days.



Now as for Emmisions, We have some of the stricktest testing next to California and a few other states, and we have yet to have an issue with one of our vechiles passing the state required Test.
On a more Personal Note, My Personal Low 10 Second Mustang passes Emmissions testing and the Local Department of public safety Each year to the amazement of the state troopers waiting to tell me it failed for the last 2 years.

 

Do the cams affect gas mileage?

 

don't quote me but i'm pretty sure that they do.

 

I'm sure they do, We haven't log Fuel Milage Changes yet.

I was once told that with Modding a Car/Truck and Worring about gas Milage is like Marring a Fat women and Worring about the grocery Bill.


I would say that with the amount of fuel we add for the tuning it will effect gas Milage from 1-3 MPG. don't quote me on this, But it would be my guestamate.

 

30 HP on a 4.6 Mustang is a nice improvement. The reason for the emissions is the fact that I live in Ontario Canada and they have become stringent on emissions. So far my 2000 has passed emissions well within the limits but I still have the stock cams. The next mod will be a built engine and I am looking at all the possibilities. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

 

You got that right! For those of you who don't live in Texas, we have to get an Annual Safety and Emissions Inspection (in emission controlled counties). They actually run your vehicle on a dyno with a probe stuck in your tailpipe. This happens for all vehicle models back to 1986. Anything older than that just gets a Safety Inspection.

 

If Texas is going to go with the trend, they will be getting rid of that procedure. Massachusetts ditched it last year.