I am new to the site, I just bought an 07 5.4 FX2 Supercrew. After only having it 4 days (and driving it 500 miles) I came to a stop and noticed the truck was shaking and struggling to idle. It seemed to be lagging, but ran smooth at any engine speed above idle. I was able to run it by a buddys shop where he scanned it for me. It threw the code P0345 (camshaft position sensor, bank 2). Anyone had this problem on a new or older truck? I am a loyal Ford owner, and just traded away an 05 Mustang GT to get in the truck. It is a bit discouraging, and I hope this isn't the beginning of problems.

I dropped it off at the dealer this morning and am waiting to hear back. I guess the point of this post is just to get opinions or stories about this issue. Simple repair... or something worse?

 

That code means that the PCM can't detect the signal from the cam position sensor on bank 2. Being that your truck is new, and knowing how much pride and quality is instilled by workers assembling it, it's probably something simple like a connector not fully seated.

Sometimes electrical interference from the alternator can cause P0340/0344/0345 as well. Worst case, there could be a base engine timing concern.

 

So, got the truck back on Monday with a new cam position sensor.. dealer says all is fine. I was excited to have it back, and wanted to drive it (I had not had a chance to just take it out for a drive since buying it). Went on about a 10 mile cruise and when I pulled it back in the driveway.. same issue pops up again. Rough, noisy, shaking idle.

Took it back to the dealer yesterday morning bright and early. Yesterday afternoon they call me back saying they finally had it duplicate my issue and would have an official diagnosis for me tomorrow (today).

So.. this is where it gets interesting. I get a call from the Service Rep telling me I need a whole new ENGINE!! He says a defective rod or main bearing was likely installed at the factory. I am getting oil pressure drops at idle that have "starved" the engine and caused damage to the cam which is why I am getting the bad cam sensor code. Anyway.. I call my dealer (bought the truck out of town) and she is telling me she called a regional service manager and conference called the dealer that is working on it. I was told by her (dealer where purchased) that their "real" tech hasn't even looked at the truck and the regional and her think they may have jumped the gun on a diagnosis. After talking to the service rep at the repairing dealer again.. I feel like am being given the run around here. He is staying with his first story and telling me he is just waiting on Ford's Authorization to ship an engine.

I have a limited but sound basic knowledge of engines.. how could they blame a rod or main bearing so confidently without tearing the engine down?? I may not know what I am talking about, I am just looking for some advice or responses from you guys. Anyone had this issue.. should I be entitled to a buy back? This truck only has 500 miles and I don't even have the title yet. Most of the miles are from a dealer transfer when I bought it.. I don't even think I have driven the thing 300 since I bought it last week.

 

With that low a mileage, they aren't gonna worry about tearing the engine down. They're worried more about the vehicle becoming a buy back risk, so they're authorized to get you a complete engine-in-a-crate. That way they can send the old engine back to Ford who'll tear it down and find out what exactly blew up in it.

Although I've never seen a worn/damaged cam set CMP codes.

 

Listen to Quinton,
He's the one who might do the job if you can have your dealer fly him down there .
Kidding aside, I'm one of those people who would park the truck cross ways a service bay to be sure I get their attention , then tell them it's their truck until it's fixed and won't be makeing payment until it is!!!!

I once bought a new truck and the dealer people damaged the bed in the wash bay at pre delivery.
Called me and ask me what I wanted to do about it!!!!!!!!!!!!! no ****!
Me said, it's still your truck pal, I don't care.
There's been other gems thru the years with different things.
Last one was a reflash. They didn't do what I ask them to. Come and ask me again what I wanted to do. Again told them to do a full reflash and stop the nonsense. It was no good the way the it was.
Fixed.
At least I give them credit for asking and taking some direction even if it is just common sense..
Anyways, these are just stories about life.
Good luck with it and be a bit firm or you come out on the short end of the stick.

 

LEMON LAW??? Sounds like you need a "FREE" Upgrade to a Kind Ranch or something!

 

Sounds like the same issue someone had in another forum

http://www.fordf150.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44413

Where did you get it?

Do you know the mfg date or vin? curious if mine sits in that group

 

I bought it from Bolin Ford in Bristow, OK. The truck was originally at Joe Cooper in Midwest City, OK... but I have dealt with Bolin in the past and bought my Mustang from them. They just got it transferred so I could buy it there. (The transfer alone added about 200 miles to the dang truck, I have only put about half of the 500 on myself) Sucks to buy something and only get to drive it to work three days!

Manufactured March '07. I don't have the VIN with me now.. but could get it. What part are you needing, I am not any good at deciphering a VIN.

I have a little of an update. Spoke with BM Ford again.. he said it does in fact need a new engine. Called Bolin Ford and told her having a "rebuilt or refurbished" truck was just not an option. She said she had already asked a regional service manager and he turned the request down. She gave me a Ford customer service number which I called and explained the situation. I feel like Bolin could do more, I don't feel like she really wants to be "up to bat" for me. Anyway.. called the number, they are assigning a specialist to my case to investigate the issues, supposed to hear from them in 2-5 business days. Granted.. the person I spoke with only answers the phone and writes up a case, but she seemed optimistic for me. We'll see...

Thanks for everyones support. Hopefully I will get back in a different F-150 so I can remain a member of the site.

 

IM-H-O, you hold a pretty big hammer.
Depending on how and who you financed the truck thru. a registered letter to them explaining very clearly and breifly what has happened and no payment will be forth coming until fully resolved, who has the truck and that other legal action may be an option reguarding the down $ or trade in value of the other car.
If it looks like trouble, the credit companies you deal with need the letter before they are notified from other sources. You get credabilty by getting to them first in event of legal action and carrying through with a defensive plan..
Copy to dealer and all who might get involved, but be ready to back it up or they will roll over you. This adds a base to 'their' reaction.
May be the guy who drove the truck from the other dealer had some hi speed fun on the way. How would you know?
Good luck.

 

If they put a new engine in it, you have no legal issues with them. You have to take the truck. The bank owns the truck. Not Ford, or even you for that matter. Legally they are doing what they are supposed to do. They will provide you with a truck that you paid for.. with a few bumps on the way. Kinda sucks.. but that is where you sit.

 

I feel like I have reached a wall here. I traded my car.. which the dealer already sold, and financed the truck through Ford Credit (can't beat 0%).

I am just going to wait and see what the Ford "Specialist" calls to tell me. Regardless of what happens in the next several days.. the truck is going to be getting the engine replaced. As far as I know, it has been ordered as of today.

I in no way mean to discredit dealer techs, I know most are experts in their field and do quality work. I am just apprehensive about the whole "engine replacement after the fact" thing. How concerned should I really be, I realize it is much better than them rebuilding it. But, I just picture problems arising down the road.

 

why would problems arise down the road? Your getting a new engine. All should be good. I wouldn't worry about anything more than being without your truck for a time. The good part is you still will have your full waranty so if there were to be any problems your covered. I don't see it as a big deal at all other than the inconvienience

 

I suppose you are right, I just hate to feel like I am stuck with a lemon.

Not sure if I did this right, but I added a pic of the truck from my cell phone, and a few of the Mustang I traded to my gallery for anyone who might be interested. I am missing my Mustang right now with all the issues.

I will always miss the fun that thing was willing to throw out.

# https://www.f150online.com/galleries....cfm?gnum=9791

 

I bet they contract the engine R/R out to another shop. When you get it back go over the truck with a fine tooth comb and look all over the engine.
Even under the truck for loose bracket's, pinch wire's, anything hanging down, missing bolts, exhaust leaks, tranmission too. Check the inner fender's for any damage. Radiator and AC condenser too before you drive it off the lot.

 

Don't accept a rebuilt for any reason, you bought a new truck & with only 500 miles they want to drop in a rebuild...NOT!!
Tell them new engine or give you a new replacement truck. They will hope their rebuilt POS engine will out last your warranty & they will be off the hook.

Rick