Changed Plugs at 100,300 miles, check out the pics
Originally Posted by chris1450
Yeah I did read your bullsh^t and thats what it is.. Not worried , some people are affraid to learn - part of your learning curve is to go jump up and down in a corner and stomp your feet
Glad you finally woke up -
It doesn't change torque values - The heads/plugs are designed to meet with a recessed taper. Torque values remain the same .. Just look at the plug where it meets the head..
I'm done picking you apart , that's to easy..
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Yes jbrew.... I am refering to you and the comments you make, like the above ones. They just struck me as crude and mean. It is just uncalled for. Lighten up man! BTW lubrication (and yes, anti sieze is a form of lubrication) affects torque. Always use anti sieze with aluminum heads. If the plugs are torqued to spec and the threads are in good shape, then the plugs won't come out again until you put a wrench to them.
Glad you finally woke up -
It doesn't change torque values - The heads/plugs are designed to meet with a recessed taper. Torque values remain the same .. Just look at the plug where it meets the head..
I'm done picking you apart , that's to easy..
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Yes jbrew.... I am refering to you and the comments you make, like the above ones. They just struck me as crude and mean. It is just uncalled for. Lighten up man! BTW lubrication (and yes, anti sieze is a form of lubrication) affects torque. Always use anti sieze with aluminum heads. If the plugs are torqued to spec and the threads are in good shape, then the plugs won't come out again until you put a wrench to them.
Yeah but you were refering before that I didn't use it - if your going to b^tch at me that's fine , but admitt your faults and good god get it right - I use the stuff...
Never said anything about weather you used it or not. Just didn't like the comments and that is all I was refering to. I have no doubt you do you mechanical things right based on other threads. "good god get it right".... there it is again... condesending as hell. get over yourself.
Originally Posted by jbrew
Quintin ? You don't use it ? Honestly mine lost there torque for the first time last month - I changed the plugs 11 months ago .. #4 was finger tight but the rest were loose after 30" lb's in reverse . I had a#4 misfire that ended up being the COP - FIRST time I had a COP fail primary testing - it just died and the COP was 11 months in age as well. I was going to switch the Motorcrafts for NGK's due to fact NGK's sport a compression washer.
Anti Sieze has been said to seal plugs , but my question then is when the head expands , what does the head do around the plug when it heats up - I know the theoredical answere but does it actually do that in that area..The heads pretty thick there..
I'll stop using it if it has adverse effects, if you say so ..
Anti Sieze has been said to seal plugs , but my question then is when the head expands , what does the head do around the plug when it heats up - I know the theoredical answere but does it actually do that in that area..The heads pretty thick there..
I'll stop using it if it has adverse effects, if you say so ..
Originally Posted by chris1450
I hope you realize anti seize is used at the factory and that it has been used as a sealer - thats why it's in the manual - its not used for keeping the plugs extractable . It 's an important part of the procedure because seals the air gap in the expandable aluminum head.
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dude, your the rudest person I have read on this forum. Your sentenses are nothing but insulting to people. You act like you know so much, but your statement above is just plain stupid and wrong. Seals the air gap in the expandable aluminum head??? WTF???? Here... have the idiot of the year award.. The anti seize is for protecting the aluminum from galling and dissimilar metal corrosion (or galvanic corrosion). It seals nothing. How is that kind of talk giving you some of your own medicine? Lighten up and talk to people on an equal level and quit insulting people ok? Your not all that. We are all here to share and learn... not be insulted
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dude, your the rudest person I have read on this forum. Your sentenses are nothing but insulting to people. You act like you know so much, but your statement above is just plain stupid and wrong. Seals the air gap in the expandable aluminum head??? WTF???? Here... have the idiot of the year award.. The anti seize is for protecting the aluminum from galling and dissimilar metal corrosion (or galvanic corrosion). It seals nothing. How is that kind of talk giving you some of your own medicine? Lighten up and talk to people on an equal level and quit insulting people ok? Your not all that. We are all here to share and learn... not be insulted
This is what you said - I didn't ???
Then YOU said that I should get an idiot award???
- you confirmed you were talking to me . You gave me a lecture about something I lecture about and and beleive in , so WTF?? So you talking down to me for no reason, not that I care that much and I gave you every opertunity to correct yourself . I'm on the same side your on about the product
Originally Posted by Quintin
Nope, never have used anti seize on 2V plugs, never will. I don't have any scientific proof to back it up, other than when I used anti seize on mine, one loosened up and blew out. That's enough proof for me.

I won't use anti- sieze on the NGK's I guess..
Thanx
Last edited by jbrew; Feb 28, 2007 at 11:12 AM.
Originally Posted by jbrew
Thanks Quintin - Where those Motorcraft plugs?
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I won't use anti- sieze on the NGK's I guess..
Thanx
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I won't use anti- sieze on the NGK's I guess..
Thanx
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's lot of people who install them with anti seize, and they come out fine. In my instance, the only variable between the plugs I installed before and after one blew out was the use of anti seize on the first set. They were all installed and tightened in the same method (meaning, I don't use a torque wrench - tighten 'till they bottom out, then go another 1/8 to 1/4 turn).
Originally Posted by Quintin
Yes, they were.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's lot of people who install them with anti seize, and they come out fine. In my instance, the only variable between the plugs I installed before and after one blew out was the use of anti seize on the first set. They were all installed and tightened in the same method (meaning, I don't use a torque wrench - tighten 'till they bottom out, then go another 1/8 to 1/4 turn).
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's lot of people who install them with anti seize, and they come out fine. In my instance, the only variable between the plugs I installed before and after one blew out was the use of anti seize on the first set. They were all installed and tightened in the same method (meaning, I don't use a torque wrench - tighten 'till they bottom out, then go another 1/8 to 1/4 turn).
Last edited by jbrew; Feb 28, 2007 at 12:16 PM.
It 's an important part of the procedure because seals the air gap in the expandable aluminum head.
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jbrew... this is the statement you said that is wrong. I didn't say you did or did not use anti sieze. That and your insulting other people. That is the only issue I have with your comments. we are all on the same team right? so lets not insult one another.
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jbrew... this is the statement you said that is wrong. I didn't say you did or did not use anti sieze. That and your insulting other people. That is the only issue I have with your comments. we are all on the same team right? so lets not insult one another.
I do not use nevrseez. I use WD-40 and tighten them untll they're tight. Been doing that since I was 7yrs old with my go-kart. WD-40 helps you get them tighter without "messing up" the threads in the aluminum. I probably should torque them, but oh well. They haven't come out yet!
Originally Posted by jbrew
This is a quote from rmeidlinger to me - "you act like a chevy owner in drag. this forum isn't to promote pissing contests or be your personal forum for rants and tirades. there are enough xxx xxxxx in the world without having to deal with a cyber xxx xxxxx."
So what ? Am I being to hard or not..So I feel that "Anti Sieze" should be used. I've done the research. Although it's not really an attack on someone and I'm defending this beleif I see it can be taken that way. I apologize if anybody feels it's a personal attack..
So what ? Am I being to hard or not..So I feel that "Anti Sieze" should be used. I've done the research. Although it's not really an attack on someone and I'm defending this beleif I see it can be taken that way. I apologize if anybody feels it's a personal attack..
at least you are man enough to apologize - I see this forum as aplace for buddies to help each other.
Originally Posted by rmeidlinger
at least you are man enough to apologize - I see this forum as aplace for buddies to help each other.
Originally Posted by jbrew
Although it's not really an attack on someone and I'm defending this beleif I see it can be taken that way. I apologize if anybody feels it's a personal attack..
I agree 100%, we are all here for a common interest, yea JBrew I did take it as a personal attack and felt it was uncalled for, as I am sure a few others would agree, I understand defending your viewpoint, but don't start stating that I am unwilling to learn, am dictating to you, that I am a fool, etc. Share your opinion, and why it is so, nobody ever said that your way, my way or thier way was right or wrong, just a difference of opinion.
I too am an advocate of using antisieze, especially with disimilar metals (I used to be a truck/trailer fabricator and saw a lot of corrosion where aluminum siderails met any steel components such as the floor rails) However, I have always thougth of antiseize as a lubricant and didn't want to overtorque the plug and ruin the head. There are 1000's of users on this forum and I would bet there is a pretty good mix of opinions on using or not using, and the affects it has.
If 13ft lb WITH antiseize is a safe # (which it seems to be) then that too is what I would suggest to those performing this maintenance. However I do not believe straight off that if you fail to use antiseize but still have proper torque that you will have adverse affects. I'm certainly not going to run out and change mine right now just to add some, but when I have time and am doing some other maint, I probably will.
Can't we just all be friends?
Later
Josh
FYI I work in the Romeo Engine Plant Dyno and Anti Seize is not installed on the spark plugs at the factory. It is not nessesary to put it on the plugs but it won't hurt them either as long as you don't overdo it.



