[PRETTY URGENT] Is this what's called a blown spark plug?

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Old 12-20-2006, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lenore
So exactly when did Ford make a change to improve this design, or did they?
I can understand someone not properly putting new plugs in and loosing one, but not on a factory installed plug, no excuse for that, and why are they not using neverseize on the plugs at installation? I have a Toyota (lexus) engine with 122k miles on their plugs and they too are sank in the valve cover with a COP on top, but have never heard of a failure on that engine (3.0 liter)
All carmaker have problems.
Even Toyota/Lexus.

Plug ejection is a problem for the earlier 5.4s. A small percentage of owners have the problem...but small percentage of a bazillion engines is still a lot of engines.

No excuse for an engine design problem from the factory... Funny you mention the 3.0L V6...You've never heard of the sludge problems that the 3.0L V6 had (1997 through 2002 Toyota or Lexus)? This was/is a huge problem. And Toyota tried to stick the bill to a lot of owners until lawasuits forced them to do otherwise. And Toyota, while blaming owners, did redesign their motors (the V6 and others)...just like Ford redesigned theirs.

Fact is, making perfect cars/trucks is just not possible. All MFRs have their share of problems.

 
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:24 AM
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Yes I agree with you, toyota does have a problem, since I have used synthetic blend and now full synthetic I have not had any signs of the sludge problem. Dino oil tends to sludge with the poor engine design. So you are saying my 2005 5.4 probably will not have the plug problem?
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lenore
Yes I agree with you, toyota does have a problem, since I have used synthetic blend and now full synthetic I have not had any signs of the sludge problem. Dino oil tends to sludge with the poor engine design. So you are saying my 2005 5.4 probably will not have the plug problem?
You should not have the blown plug problem, but you will have to deal with the "possible broken off plugs while trying to extract them" problem. Early 5.4s can't keep them in, 2004 and later can't get them out.
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lenore
So you are saying my 2005 5.4 probably will not have the plug problem?
I have a 97 5.4...and have not had a problem.
But some trucks of my era are prone to it.

Your 2005 shouldn't have the ejection issue at all.
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 12:27 PM
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2004 years and up we use impacts to get the plugs out - NOT air impacts - cordless on low settings - works every time. Ford uses Panasonic Guns.

Always reinstall new plugs in a aluminum head with a piece of 3/8 air hose - slides right over the porceline - never use a socket!! you'll cross thread , even a minuet crossthread is hard to detect until it comes back out. That's really been the problem.... Now even Haynes and Chiltons books have adopted this procedure in there manuals.
 

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Old 12-20-2006, 01:30 PM
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Live and learn, huh.

These plugs weren't originals. I replaced OEM at 60k miles, and the truck now has 80k. The brand I put in were Motorcraft platinum. So it was in for 20k, or about a year, before it blew out.

The mechanic said he'll call me "in 45minutes", which it's been about that. Let's see what happens. I doubt anything good.
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordgirl18
Live and learn, huh.

That's what I do .
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordgirl18
The mechanic said he'll call me "in 45minutes", which it's been about that. Let's see what happens. I doubt anything good.
The Time Sert kits are the best, most-permanent, easiest & cheapest fix, I believe.

http://www.timesert.com/

Shouldnt be more than a few hundred $$$ , and the heads don't have to come off.
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 05:54 PM
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So they quoted me 2000 dollars. (two thousand). I'm on the time-sert website. Should I try to get a time-sert done? Should I try doing it on my own? Or get a mechanic to do it?

EDIT: I wanna sue FMC for making such a retarded engine with blowing-out spark plugs. My Corolla didn't have this happen at 80k!
 

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Old 12-20-2006, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordgirl18
So they quoted me 2000 dollars. (two thousand). I'm on the time-sert website. Should I try to get a time-sert done? Should I try doing it on my own? Or get a mechanic to do it?

EDIT: I wanna sue FMC for making such a retarded engine with blowing-out spark plugs. My Corolla didn't have this happen at 80k!

I think I quoted you a little bit higher on page one. Sueing has been tried in California in fact.
It was thrown out lol , because there not gonna pay for consumer ignorence - google it..Remember you said - live and learn , looks like you learned after the fact - It's been refered to as learning the hard way. If you don't read the instructions , then who's fault is it? Not Fords.
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 07:31 PM
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So they quoted me 2000 dollars. (two thousand). I'm on the time-sert website. Should I try to get a time-sert done? Should I try doing it on my own? Or get a mechanic to do it?
First you need to make sure that it is a fix that a time sert can fix. Assuming it is, you don't need to pay $2,000.

If this guy is a real friend, he may not know what a time sert it. Tell him to check it out and let you know how much to fix. Remember, heads don't have to come off.

He/you can search "time sert" on this site for many, many instances where people have tdone it successfully.

$2,000 is ridiculous.
You could put a rebuilt motor in for that.
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:46 PM
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Yeah , I read that somewhere too , you don't have to pull the heads and allot less exspensive. STOP bashing Ford , makes it's easier to help. I got a few idea's.
 
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for $2k you could probably get a used, good condition running motor (spalding auto has several good ones come and go each week for about $1200 with 170~ compression on all cylinders) and get it slapped in there
 
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You just wanted to say "slapped"
 
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I don't know about cam's for the truck vs. mustang but for the 4.6 for 2k you could get a good set of cam's and a head job from a local machine shop plus get the spark plug hole fixed, and get a little more performance out of it. Or for about 1200 you could get the fox lake p-51 intake, and spend the rest on the time sert to fix it yourself. I can't remember the dyno sheet for the p-51, but I do remember it gives a nice little bump in the horse power N/A.
 


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