Hey guys.........
Im a tried and true 3RD generation ford guy so dont mis understand my concern with sarcasm.
I have attached info from the Chevrolet webpage below on the new v8 avaible in some of the new 1/2 ton trucks. When will ford come out with an answcer for this? I dont think (correct me if im wrong) that my 06 5.4 3 valve will even produce this much power jacked up on Troyer tunes.
Just venting a little....feel free to chime in.
Gordon

Vortec MAX 6.0L V8 Engine

Vortec MAX 6.0L V8 engine features:

* From the family of redesigned Gen IV Vortec V8 engines
* Thundering 367 horsepower @ 5500 rpm
* 375 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4300 rpm
* More horsepower than any other half-ton 4x4 pickup(1)
* More torque than any light-duty engine offered by Ford(1)
* EPA estimated 15 city/19 highway MPG in 2WD and 4x4 models
* Deep inside the combustion chamber of Vortec engines, high-speed air movement generates a better fuel-to-air mixture
* Variable Valve Timing (VVT) technology that optimizes combustion, enhances low-end torque and high-end power, promotes fuel efficiency, and helps lower emissions
* A cast-iron crankshaft with undercut and rolled fillets
* High-flow cast-aluminum cylinder heads that feature a low-friction roller-rocker valvetrain
* Electronic Throttle Control provides outstanding throttle response, greater reliability and improved efficiency
* A faster, smarter Engine Control Module with more memory that better synchronizes the multitude of engine operations that occur every split second
* Hydraulic engine mounts for improved vibration isolation
* A coil-near-plug ignition system for a precise delivery of high-energy spark

1. Based on 2006 GM Large Pickup segment and latest available competitive information. Excludes other GM vehicles.

 

Very interesting, but the reason I got a Ford instead of a Chevy was based on reliability data NOT because Ford had a bigger engine.

 

I must say, those are some pretty big numbers, especially considering it gets the same fuel economy as my 4.6. For the most part though, I'm happy with the power I get out of the 4.6. It's not earth shattering, but it gets the job done. I'm sure that Ford will come out with a more powerful, more fuel efficient engine in time. I used to be a Chevy guy, and have moved over to Ford because Ford quality is so much better in my opinion. For that reason I could not own another Chev, even with that kind of power!

 

That is an impressive list but..........I'll keep my Ford!

Mike

 

That is very interesting but that's running at awful high RPM's to get the peaks on both HP and torque. It would be even more interesting to see HP curve and torque curve charted out.

I test drove the Chevrolet with the 5.3L and it wasn't a slouch itself.

Still glad I bought a Ford though!!!

 

Blah blah blah. This reminds me of a bunch of talking heads on ESPN quoting why team X should beat team Y because of stats. Stats alone don't mean a darn thing. Last time I checked 6.0 > 5.4 so yes it should make more horsepower. However I think my 5.4 is about wrapped out at 5500 RPM. Second, who cares how much torque is produced at 4300 RPM, because again you're really pushing the engine at that RPM to use that torque to move something. I want alot of torque at a lower RPM so I don't have to melt my tires and make my engine scream. For towing or hauling (which are what pickups are made for) torque is much more important than hp. A tractor may only have 110 hp, but it can pull a 5 bottom plow a foot deep in the ground because it transfers alot of torque to the rear wheels.

Here are the stock numbers for the 2006 5.4 3valve:

Max HP - 300 @ 5000 rpm
Max Torque - 365 @ 3750 rpm

You'll notice that the max torque is 550 RPM lower and only 10 ft-lbs less. In my opinion this is better. Also FORD has a forged steel crank which is better than cast iron. All the rest of that is marketing BS thrown in to sell pickups. Which brings me to my last point. If the Silverado is better that the F150, why has Ford outsold Chevy in half ton pickups for so long?

 

Good point KDOT. Also, if you count up the number of Chevy AND GMC trucks....they still don't outsell Ford!

Mike

 

id maybe like to try out a chevy just to tell them it feels like a peice of ****..

my grandpa owns a z71 and it oversteers like a ****........ i cant stand driving it...and the power isnt all that wonderful

 

lol i didnt know shooting spark plugs out of the engine was reliable! my sisters expidition just had its third one. after they fix it shes going to sell it and get a nissan maxima or something. sad i know. sad she is going foreign.

I mean 3 threads on the head for the spark plug? come on? thats just BS!

I would never call the 5.4, 6.8, or 6.0 powersroke reliable!!!...you know what i am talking about.

As you can tell by my name i have had chevy before but thought id try a ford this time, mainly because its in good engine condition and very low milage for its year...it seemed a good idea at the time. some old man had it before me and never beat it up. but i cant stand so many things now!!!

the dash is so cheaply made.
the engine bay is a nightmare compared to other brands.
ive replaced a couple of electrical switches throughout the vehicle.
ignition lock cylinder broke.
looks like a hack job on the speed control recall fix (by the dealer).
window seal falling out.
inner rear wheel well covers appear to be loose but i noticed thats how all of them are.
misicallaneous sqeaks.
and i noticed the chevy is more comfortable on long road trips.

now some may be old age and may not be, but I cant wait till i get a few more years of this thing so i can get back into a chevy. id get rid of it now but i need to get my money out of it first, and i dont want a loan payment so soon.

 

Dude... Your ranting about a 13 year old truck... A 13-year old chevy would have the same problems. Every manufacturer has its problems, this is why I am not brand loyal at all. I've ridden (dirt bikes, motorcycles, snowmobiles) and driven it all. I drive a ford because thats what I ended up with, and if your whining about a couple switches and an igniton lock cylinder you would have driven my truck off of a cliff by now. With age comes money, the older it gets the more money you put into it.

Also, the new chevy motor sounds good, but Im waiting to see what ford has coming... Those are some pretty impressive numbers to beat.

 

Sigh....the reason the Ford vs Chevy debate will rage until the end of time is because people don't realize how worthless anecdotal evidence is to support claims of reliability.

"Uncle Bob had a Chevy and it had 1,000,000,000 miles on it and it still ran perfect. So Chevy is better than Ford!"

"I bought a Ford and it had nothing but problems, so Chevy must be better than Ford."

These two examples are worthless as far as determining which vehicles are the most reliable. Think about it--anyone can buy a lemon--Chevy or Ford. Likewise anyone can buy a totally problem free vehicle--Chevy or Ford. Some of having a reliable truck is just plain luck.

When I purchased my 98 F150 a month ago, I researched reliability data from THOUSANDS of truck owners, not just one or two. The data said that among the full sized trucks made from 97-99, Toyota (T100) and Ford F150 were the most reliable. And this wasn't just looking at the engine. This was looking at all things that could go wrong with a truck.

Looks like you have a 94. I couldn't tell you what was the most reliable in that year. Different year=different data.

Also, remember that it is harder to judge a truck when you buy it used. You never REALLY know how the previous owner treated it, do you?

 

+1

 

I don't care what anybody else does with there trucks. Even if ford only came out with the 4.6Liter. I would still only buy ford. Because they are more reliable, can tow more, look better, etc...

I don't care if my truck costs as much as then next guy, or if my truck costs more. I also don't care that if ford doesn't make there trucks more competitive they will soon no longer have the #1 selling truck. I don't care I will always buy ford. I love Ford. Ford can do no wrong.

Ok, I have to go now- the nurses are coming and its time for me to take my pills.. Tonight its the green and blue ones, they are my favorite they make me poop. My poop is blue like my sympathy for all those ultra ford loving people like me.

 

Knowing how GM vastly over-rates their HP figures...I'll wait and see what the Dyno reads are.

Quoting HP figures based on the flywheel is good for one thing only...bragging rights.

 

My Camaro has a 500ci Caddy motor with 500 torque and 400 HP.... Stock motor... just wait untill I beef it up and put it on the bottle.

Nah. But I'm a ford and chevy guy. I like 'em both.