Norm,

Ok I didn't see that part on the Amsoil site where I was looking. That clears it all up. Thanks

JMC

 

JMC, just to reply to you on this part....

Ford can only deny your warranty on things the oil directly effects (i.e., the engine). If you had a wheel fall off, or a fan seize, or other issues NOT related to the use of the oil, Ford can not deny you the warranty of those items. You are protected by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act in a case like the one you proposed above. The use of this act is very common in the "tuner" arena where people mod their cars before warranties have expired.

 

Lubes N Greases (which I have never heard of) was quoting amsoil. Its about 3/4 of the way down the page, under the headline "Worth the Price?"

Under the headline, "Measuring Up" you'll see where amsoil claims to have only paid for 2 claims in the last 2 years, even though they average 20 claims per year. Simple math says that if they have 20 claims a year, and pay for 1, then they are paying for 5% of the claims. Sounds like a statistic from Erin Brockovich. The "insuring" company just won't pay. And of course, they claim in that same paragraph that the 2 they paid were due to OEM failures in manufacturing. No product is perfect, reguardless of the industry it comes from. Inherantly, all things will fail at least a small percentage of the time, which can be caused by inconsistancies in base materials, mismanufacture of parts (or additives inthis case), or any of the other 10 million ways for a failure to occur. Even you have to admit that. I've never seen a perfect product, and I dam sure that Amsoil isn't going to be that one.

 

I agree with that. Nobody claimed anything was perfect in this whole thread.
After all there is always going to be human error.
Again you have made it clear that you are Anti-Amsoil and anti-extended intervals. We get it. Move on. Buy Kendall, Penzoil, Mobil whatever you want. I do not care. I will continue to do what is best for my truck and the environment by not wasting 5 times the oil like you chose to do. The original poster asked about Amsoil. I presented him with facts. You gave your opinions. Great, life goes on.

 

Thats all good and well Norm, and I am not looking for a fight or a spew on the board......Basically, what I'd like to see is you sell me on why I (the uneducated customer) should use that product. (I am serious in this) If you Norm, are selling me Brett Amsoil products, and I have never heard of them, how would you go about it?

 

I have already gone over all of this as have other members here. You are just looking to continue your pointless debate and I am not going to entertain you. Use the search function. Go to www.performanceoiltechnology.com. Dave Mann used to be a member here. He is not just an Amsoil salesperson. He is an engineer in the field. Go to www.amsoil.com, straight from the horses mouth. Look for msparks post, he sold Amsoil as well. I have been using it for years with great results as have many people on this board. We have all given you plenty of info. It is time for you to do some research yourself if you truly have an open mind and are willing to change your attitude towards a company and product that has proven itself since 1972.

I use the product because it provides my engine with the protection it needs and does not break down like cheaper products. It gives me piece of mind knowing that I can go 12K or more due to my busy life and not worry about oil failure. For you it really doesn't matter because you can use Walmart store brand and be fine because you insist on 3000 mile changes. I prefer to change my oil on a less frequent basis. I prefer not to waste a dimininshing natural resource because of a perpetuated 3K myth. If you are truly open to learn more about quality oils you will find all the info you need. I am also not saying that Amsoil is the only quality synthetic out there. You have choices, all of which will allow you to go beyond your 3K limit. If you have an open mind and can overcome your prejudices you will learn a lot. I used to change at 3K as well, then I realized I was not in the "severe service" category and I switched to Mobil 1 and went 5-7K. Then I learned that Amsoil was better than original Mobil 1 and at first I used their 5W-30 and changed my oil around 7K then I switched to the 0W-30 and now change it once a year. I will extend it even further once I install my bypass dual filter kit. I will then use Oil Analysis (a proven tool) to see how far I can extend my changes further saving me money and time and reducing waste of a precious resource. I have been changing oil in various vehicles for over 20 years.
I think we have used enough of this forums time.

 

I change at 3000 with full synthetic. I have no valve noise, no piston slap, no noises whatsoever in my near 100K mile 5.4

And, since I see daily what most people never look at, I know exactly what happens when a vehicle is run 3K, 5K, 7K, or more miles inbetween on conventional or synthetic. I've seen the results first hand on hundreds of different cars that come solely to my shop for service. When someone that owns a new chevy (this is one of the best examples) and run till the light on the dash says change oil, they will start with around 7K mile increments, and by 50,000 miles that light will be going off in less than 3K miles. I've seen a couple that would go off in 1000 miles or less later in their lifespan. (mind you those are on conventional)

But in the end, it is rather simple, you go your way, I'll go mine.

 

Maybe you could use some of the money saved by switching back to conventional and 3K to fix your radiator and transmission that were both pissing out fluids according to your other posts. There is no cost benefit to synthetics if you change them every 3K. Might as well use whatever is on sale at Costco.
I change mine yearly and I have 85K with none of the above problems either so this proves nothing. By the way, Piston slap is not an oil issue.
Is this the same shop that fixed your leaky radiator and tranny?
But I thought....
So you see a lot of oil failures at your dad's carwash? Are you taking engines apart to wash them or just looking at oil color?
Sorry, couldn't let that one go.
Peace.

As I said we have used enough of this forums time. You are close minded and unwilling to yield to an education. Even when presented with facts from people besides myself (as it is obvious you will never listen to me) you keep going your way. That is your prerogative. To each his own. I am done and so are you.
Remember:
All were answered reasonably and realistically.
Have a good day.

 

These guys in these 'fast food' shops seem too bee all the same.
Know it all and will argue what sex the Buffolo was on the old nickels.
One I know one in FLA does the same thing. Any relation, I wonder?
On top of that he always wanted to know how to do things yet.
Go figure.
Had fun one time when he ask quesrion. I refered to a service manuel section that was not in book.
He ask why my book had it and his didnot!
At least I knew he was listening.

 

navi, if your intent was to make make norm lose it and show his a$$, mission accomplied

nothing like some good old making fun of your business, your dad and your vehicle to prove that mail order oil is better.

 

Sorry Dave, only my wife gets to see my a$$
Sense of humor anyone? Get one Dave.
Yup I really lost it Dave.
I have been nothing but civil throughout this thread.
I used his own words to highlight his inconsistencies as he doesn't seem to remember what he said or what his business does. The dad comment was because he acts like a typical know-it-all teenager that can't be reasoned with. Again, there is this thing called sarcasm and humor. Maybe that one went a little too far, if so I apologize to Brett.
So Dave, whose a$$ is showing now?

I am not perfect and am always willing to learn new things and I am open to intelligent discussions. Be glad to have one with you when you are ready.

 

you dont think that is sarcastic? let throw a few bananas at it for humor

 

i read something the other day that the cam companies are experiencing a higher than normal failure due to the newer oils having less zinc. apparently the zinc can cause problems with the plugs and sensors and makes it hard for the newer engines to make 100k service intervals. i realize that most if not all the newer engines use a roller type of cam so it would not have as much effect there but i wounder if other parts of the motor need the zinc for the break -in.
this is another case of the manufacturer having relations witht he oil companies and specing how the product is formulated and why manufacturer have a problem with oil that is not certified to meet a certain standard.....just a guess

 

Touche

 

Dave, you read right about the zinc.
The Feds are making this happen.
The Rotella T oils,Dello and some others has it in now but will have to remove it for the future.
Another chance for profit and a new additive on the shelf now, I guess.