is the 4.2 known to be a little noisy?

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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by glc
Not just my opinion, sir - the first and second link have science behind it.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...ence.html#fram
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/fram1.txt
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil.../opinions.html

If you have proof that things have changed recently, I'd be interested in hearing it.
The minimopar site is a joke. The site is devoted to those pillars of american engineering, the chrysler K car with 2.2 and 2.5 engines. Again, what is expressed there is someones (who is not a engineer or knows anything about filtration) opinion.
There is no single pass efficiency testing
There is no multi pass efficiecncy testing.
There is dirt holding capacity testing
There is no durabilty testing
No burst strength tests
No hot oil and high flow tests.
Just some dude cutting apart filters and offering his opinion. Thats it.
Our least expensive filter is 96% efficient, better than WIX (around 82%) and in fact better than most filters in the market. The design internally is identical to the OE filter we make for Hondas. And we all know how they seem to have a reputation for incredibly long lasting powertrains. We make OE filters for Subuaru and Mack trucks, they have a million mile engine warranty! (Mack). You can believe what you want, what I am telling you is that you should be concerned with single and multi pass efficiency, dirt trapping capacity, and the company that stands behind its products with warranties and engineering knowledge. Bit you would rather believe a minimopar fan hmmmm?
 
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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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Show us a comparison of your orange can of death versus the Motorcraft FL-400-S
 
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Raptor05121
I stick by the omen "you get what you pay for" and with Fram Filters a good $3-4 cheaper than the cheapest OEM....well, you roll the dice on that one.
FRAM makes five different levels of filters, its least expensive filter easily out performs the OE filter in efficiency. If you pay a little more, you can get the Extended Guard, a filter that has synthetic media backed by a stainless screen, metal end caps, silicone valves and garenteed to trap dirt for 10k miles.
BTW MotorKing, WTF is a '67 F-150? I've never seen one of them!
Huh? I have a 1967 Mustang, a 2004 CTS-V, A 1999 Taurus SHO and a 1998 Ranger 4x4.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Raptor05121
Show us a comparison of your orange can of death versus the Motorcraft FL-400-S
Pretty hard to do Raptor when FORD does not release its single pass, multi pass or dirt capacity ratings. The last time we tested one (a few years ago) they were around 65% single pass efficiency. That basically means if you have a tank of oil, you dump 100 particles of dirt in it at the 20 micron size, run the oil through the filter one time, the filter removes 65 of them, the extra guard filter removes 96 of them. They will not show them to you because they are inferior to many filters in the aftermarket. OE parts are the least expensive parts that meet the minimum warranty requirements.

The design of the extra guard filter is the same as the filter we supply to Honda as OE filter. Those engines sure seem to last an incredibly long time.

The minimopar guy makes comments about mis formed relief valves, yet he never shows one. He claims the fiber end caps fail, yet he never shows one.
In fact he show or has zero data to back up his commentary about what is what. How does he know how good a filter media is if he doesnt test it, just measuses its size? The number of pleats doesnt tell you anything about how the filter works, going by that logic (more is better) you could stuff a roll of toilet paper in a can and say, ooh, I have 13 yards of filter media.
It has to be better!

I have removed many FRAM filters from my personal vehicles and cut them open, no deterioration of the fiber end caps at my typical 7k oil changes at all. I am changing the oil in the Ranger this weekend, it has 7300 miles on the oil change, I will cut open the filter and post it on here to show you that using a fiber end cap is irrellevant to the quality of filtration. The truck is a 4.0 Ranger with 140k miles on, always used Mobil1 and FRAM filters, it runs like a top and does not use any oil between changes.

Ford does not make filters, they buy them from a filter supplier. Ask your friendly Ford parts guy to supply you with ISO 4548-12 test results for thier filter. They will not give them to you. We have been posting our efficiency ratings on our boxes for years and we clearly state what the test protocol is.
Some filter makers will claim 99% efficiency on the box and never tell you the particle size used for testing. They are all 99% at filtering out bowling *****!
Sorry to be preaching, use the filter you like the best, I am only asking that you do not repeat the Internet Tribal Knowledge that FRAM is not good, it is simply not true.

Here is a comparison of how filters used to be tested compared to what the automakers use now. The old testing is easily skewed to show good results if you do not state the partcile size used in the testing.

Old SAE Test J1858 and J806 American standards were superseded by ISO tests in 2002.

J1858, (multi-pass test), is no longer industry standard and it usually shows less filter efficiency at 20 microns than ISO 4548-12.

The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) and the International Standards Organization (ISO) have agreed on a Global standard to measure the efficiency and capacity of Automotive Filters. The test standard is identified as ISO 4548-12.

This standard replaces SAE J1858 which was cancelled.

The particle sizes and efficiency ratings will not directly correlate between these tests. The ISO standard uses a more precise particle calibration technique with a Scanning Electron Microscope. The SAE standard optically measured the particles. In some instances we have seen competitors skew the old SAE test and claim higher efficiency by not directly stating particle size with their efficiency claims.
You can certainly be 98% efficient at 40 microns!

Have a great day.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by blueoval5.4
My truck seems to be a little noisey for a little bit (maybe a couple minutes)while it warms up. its sound like light knocking are clattering. Other that that truck sounds good when warm. I have 96k on the truck. I used 5w30 castrol and a bottle of lucas oil with a fram filter on the last oil change. Thanks
yes it is common. i had my 04 heritage and now my 08 f150. they both have/had this clattering noise you mentioned. my 04 i bought with 22k miles on it and i used mobile1 full synthetic oil with a motorcraft filter. i have also heard of the anti drainback problems but not on an f150. it was a 97 2.3L ranger. the guy i bought it from told me not to use any other filter except motorcraft. anything else and it would knock for a few seconds because the oil drained out of the filter. but the filter was also pointed so the rim was facing down and to the left. the 4.2's filter location is on the bottom so i dont see how any oil will escape. i used 5W20 in both. my 08 i bought with 139miles and a few people told me you need conventional oil to seat the rings for break-in or something like that. well motorcraft oil is a blend so i figured i would just use that. so at 3k and 6k i changed the oil with motorcraft and same with filter. well at 9k i went full synthetic with mobile1(very impressed the first time i used it about 5 yrs ago in my 96 trans am) and i got the extended performance stuff(also used before in my 04 with a fram filter). i changed it after 7k on the oil in my 04 and everything was fine. so now it is in my 08 but i bought the mobile1 extended performance filter also. mobile1 guarantees for 15k before you need to change it. i am on about 9k on the oil/filter right now with no changes from when it was new. just colored a bit more but not bad looking. i love that stuff.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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Timmy, I run the Mobil 1 EP and Mobil 1 filter, and change them around 9 or 10k. I don't really want to push them to 15k.
 
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