4R70W or 4R100? What's the difference?
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On the green sticker, one, that would definitely make it a 4R70W.
The 4R100s have something similar, an orange sticker and the story on them is that if they come in for service, the dealer is sopposed to replace the tranny with a new one and send the unit back to Sharonville for Validation. Validation is a department that among other things tears down a failed tranny and analyzes the failure. There's nothing inherently wrong with these transmissions. Ford just wants to analyze failures from a controlled sample of a given periods production. The stickers are strictly for statistical process control, and not an indicator that anything might be wrong. I had earlier said I thought they might be a problem, but after I asked about it, I found out that was incorrect.
So, I assume that if you have a green sticker (or an orange one) that if you don't have any problems you're gonna be fine, but if you do you'll get a new tranny out of it, provided the failure occurs within the test period.
My suggestion would be drive it and if you get the slightest probelm take it to the dealer and complain as much as you can until they replace it of fix it.
GBE
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The 4R100s have something similar, an orange sticker and the story on them is that if they come in for service, the dealer is sopposed to replace the tranny with a new one and send the unit back to Sharonville for Validation. Validation is a department that among other things tears down a failed tranny and analyzes the failure. There's nothing inherently wrong with these transmissions. Ford just wants to analyze failures from a controlled sample of a given periods production. The stickers are strictly for statistical process control, and not an indicator that anything might be wrong. I had earlier said I thought they might be a problem, but after I asked about it, I found out that was incorrect.
So, I assume that if you have a green sticker (or an orange one) that if you don't have any problems you're gonna be fine, but if you do you'll get a new tranny out of it, provided the failure occurs within the test period.
My suggestion would be drive it and if you get the slightest probelm take it to the dealer and complain as much as you can until they replace it of fix it.
GBE
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Factory_Tech, you are wrong. The late 1999 (at least all the ones I have seen) and ALL the 2000 5.4L F150's DO NOT have the 4R100 in them unless they are the Ca.Emmisions package trucks or Lightnings. Not even the new 7700 model! Earlier ones did have a bigger tranny (E4OD I think)but no more.I know because I was trying to find one but gave up and went with the Super Duty.
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2000 F-250 Super Duty, Super Cab XLT, Oxford white with grey cloth captains chairs, 5.4L Triton V8(260 HP version!), 4R100 4 Speed Automatic Transmission, 4 wheel ABS, Deluxe Aluminum Wheels, Trailer Towing Package, Class IV Hitch, Reece load distribution system, Escort Sensor II Electronic Brake control, K&N filter, "White-White" head lamps.
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you're right on that, sorry, I admit my mistake. The 5.4 went to a 4R70w in '00 (it could have even been 99.5) Can you microwave the crow before I eat it?
Anyhoo, I DID solve the green and orage sticker mystery, and the answer is on the thread about the new 5.4 tranny. I'd type it again, but it's kinda long winded. But, it's good news, so definitly read it.
GBE
Anyhoo, I DID solve the green and orage sticker mystery, and the answer is on the thread about the new 5.4 tranny. I'd type it again, but it's kinda long winded. But, it's good news, so definitly read it.
GBE
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Well, yes.
The 4R70 is a good transmission as fatr as that goes. IMHO, compared to any Chevy or Chrysler light truck box is holds it's own. It's rated for 700 ft/lbs of torque, still more than any truck it's in is even close to producing. It's only compared to the 4R100 that it's kinda puny. Really, you have to see the two setting next to each other to appreciate the difference. One is a more or less normal looking transmission, kinda "I could pick that up off the bench and sett it on the floor if I had too" and the other is a 350 lb beast, it would be an effort to scoot it across the floor.
BTW, I hear rumors around work that our new line is upgradable to produce a new 5R110! Now that should be an interesting box.
E-mail me if you have any specific questions, I'm kinda limited on what I can post right now.
I did put in a CIRS suggestion at work for Ford to open up an "Ask a Facotry Tech" bulliten board. I pointed out the confusion about the stickers as why it would be a good idea. The guy who takes the suggestions was flabbergasted that the general public thought there was "something wrong" with those tranny's, they thought it was a selling point.
We'll see.
GBE
The 4R70 is a good transmission as fatr as that goes. IMHO, compared to any Chevy or Chrysler light truck box is holds it's own. It's rated for 700 ft/lbs of torque, still more than any truck it's in is even close to producing. It's only compared to the 4R100 that it's kinda puny. Really, you have to see the two setting next to each other to appreciate the difference. One is a more or less normal looking transmission, kinda "I could pick that up off the bench and sett it on the floor if I had too" and the other is a 350 lb beast, it would be an effort to scoot it across the floor.
BTW, I hear rumors around work that our new line is upgradable to produce a new 5R110! Now that should be an interesting box.
E-mail me if you have any specific questions, I'm kinda limited on what I can post right now.
I did put in a CIRS suggestion at work for Ford to open up an "Ask a Facotry Tech" bulliten board. I pointed out the confusion about the stickers as why it would be a good idea. The guy who takes the suggestions was flabbergasted that the general public thought there was "something wrong" with those tranny's, they thought it was a selling point.
We'll see.
GBE
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Factory_Tech,
Thanks for the info. My V-10 SD is headed for the shop on Monday. The tranny developed a leak. It's either a front seal ot converter leak.
I've read a previous posting about an "Orange Do-Not-Service" tag, but didn't think my Orange ID Tag was the tag in question.
My Tag reads:
1M
YC3P-CA
PRB-BR1
00000851
BD-9G31
6004 00000851
M 4X2-T
I've herd the V-10's have a crank vibration problem. Have you seen any front seal issues? Any related to being mated to the V-10's?
A Picture of my Leak can be found HERE
I didn't see your e-mail address posted here. Thanks in advance for the info.
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Will
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Thanks for the info. My V-10 SD is headed for the shop on Monday. The tranny developed a leak. It's either a front seal ot converter leak.
I've read a previous posting about an "Orange Do-Not-Service" tag, but didn't think my Orange ID Tag was the tag in question.
My Tag reads:
1M
YC3P-CA
PRB-BR1
00000851
BD-9G31
6004 00000851
M 4X2-T
I've herd the V-10's have a crank vibration problem. Have you seen any front seal issues? Any related to being mated to the V-10's?
A Picture of my Leak can be found HERE
I didn't see your e-mail address posted here. Thanks in advance for the info.
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Thanks,
Will
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Now that's a great post, gives me all the info I need to give a definitive answer.
First, you're right about your orange tag, that's the ID tag and the color tells the guy putting on the "jiggle cap" what kind of top vent it gets, you have a 90 degree vent, which is a tube that runs to the engine to vent. A white ID tag would get a jiggle cap, just a regular old vent cap.
Next the info on the tag, it gives me a great way to decode the codes for everyone.
My Tag reads:
1M
YC3P-CA
PRB-BR1
00000851
BD-9G31
6004 00000851
M 4X2-T
1M = model code, changes every year, so the same model next year has a different code but it's the same box, no rhyme or reason to the code a '00 Lightning is 1S a '001 will be 5Q.
YC3P-CA = the "7000" number, or part number. Put a 7000 in the middle and that is the Ford part number for the entire assembly which in your case is YC3P-7000-CA.
PRB-BR1 = I think this is the Engineering Spec Number, not a code that I use so I'm not sure.
00000851 = Serial Number, yours is the 851st build of that model in that model year, a darn low number, made on the 4th or 5th run of the year for that model, 'prolly early in the year, which brings us to....
BD-9G31 = Build Date. The date your transmission started down the assembly line(not always anywhere within weeks of when it came off, but thats another story) First digit is the year 9 = 1999, second digit(letter) is the month, July, and last two are the day, so your box was more or less built on July 31st, 1999.
6004-00000851 = the model code and serial number, I dunno why the need so many codes to say it's a 1M, but they do. BTW the 7000 number and the model code don't change every year, just the ID code.
And lastly the M 4x2 T, means it's a Modular Case, 4x2, Truck transmission.
If I didn't know all these goofy codes, I'd think this was all pretty interesting, sory about the long post, but I thought someone would appreciate it.
Gregg
First, you're right about your orange tag, that's the ID tag and the color tells the guy putting on the "jiggle cap" what kind of top vent it gets, you have a 90 degree vent, which is a tube that runs to the engine to vent. A white ID tag would get a jiggle cap, just a regular old vent cap.
Next the info on the tag, it gives me a great way to decode the codes for everyone.
My Tag reads:
1M
YC3P-CA
PRB-BR1
00000851
BD-9G31
6004 00000851
M 4X2-T
1M = model code, changes every year, so the same model next year has a different code but it's the same box, no rhyme or reason to the code a '00 Lightning is 1S a '001 will be 5Q.
YC3P-CA = the "7000" number, or part number. Put a 7000 in the middle and that is the Ford part number for the entire assembly which in your case is YC3P-7000-CA.
PRB-BR1 = I think this is the Engineering Spec Number, not a code that I use so I'm not sure.
00000851 = Serial Number, yours is the 851st build of that model in that model year, a darn low number, made on the 4th or 5th run of the year for that model, 'prolly early in the year, which brings us to....
BD-9G31 = Build Date. The date your transmission started down the assembly line(not always anywhere within weeks of when it came off, but thats another story) First digit is the year 9 = 1999, second digit(letter) is the month, July, and last two are the day, so your box was more or less built on July 31st, 1999.
6004-00000851 = the model code and serial number, I dunno why the need so many codes to say it's a 1M, but they do. BTW the 7000 number and the model code don't change every year, just the ID code.
And lastly the M 4x2 T, means it's a Modular Case, 4x2, Truck transmission.
If I didn't know all these goofy codes, I'd think this was all pretty interesting, sory about the long post, but I thought someone would appreciate it.
Gregg
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Damn, I forgot to get around to the answer to the actual question.
I looked at the picture, it's a pump leak. Seal around the pump is ruptured I'm about 90% sure, the other 10% goes on the input shaft teflon seal, but that's kinda rare
Good news is that it's easy to fix, takes all of 10 minutres to replace a pump seal, about the same for a IPS Teflon. Of course, I don't have to take the box out of a truck first, that might add more labor. LOL
my 2 cents,
Gregg
I edited part of this post for my own reasons...the information was correct, I just deleted it.
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I looked at the picture, it's a pump leak. Seal around the pump is ruptured I'm about 90% sure, the other 10% goes on the input shaft teflon seal, but that's kinda rare
Good news is that it's easy to fix, takes all of 10 minutres to replace a pump seal, about the same for a IPS Teflon. Of course, I don't have to take the box out of a truck first, that might add more labor. LOL
my 2 cents,
Gregg
I edited part of this post for my own reasons...the information was correct, I just deleted it.
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Gregg,
WOW! thanks for all the great info. I'll have to look for the blue mark.
My truck was built the week of 8/2/1999, so that's bretty good Just-In-time delivery.
Great info, and thanks again!
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Thanks,
Will
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2000 F-250 SD Crew Cab, Short Bed, Lariat, 4X2, V-10, Auto, 3.73LS
WOW! thanks for all the great info. I'll have to look for the blue mark.
My truck was built the week of 8/2/1999, so that's bretty good Just-In-time delivery.
Great info, and thanks again!
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Thanks,
Will
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2000 F-250 SD Crew Cab, Short Bed, Lariat, 4X2, V-10, Auto, 3.73LS
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Gregg,
Good explanation, but I have to correct a small error.
The 4R70W is rated for 700 lb-ft of torque AFTER the torque converter. The converter multiplies torque 2:1, so the rating is the equivilent of 350 lb-ft at the flywheel.
Same for the 4R100-the rating is 500 lb-ft at the flywheel. Not coincidentally, that's exactly how much torque a 7.3L Powerstroke diesel produces.
Mark
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Good explanation, but I have to correct a small error.
The 4R70W is rated for 700 lb-ft of torque AFTER the torque converter. The converter multiplies torque 2:1, so the rating is the equivilent of 350 lb-ft at the flywheel.
Same for the 4R100-the rating is 500 lb-ft at the flywheel. Not coincidentally, that's exactly how much torque a 7.3L Powerstroke diesel produces.
Mark
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Hey 1dj27,
With my understanding and the information on this thread, you'll receive the 4R100 transmission.... the "Beefier" one.
It has to do with California Emissions. The only other way you can get the 4R100 is if you purchase the F-250 heavy duty series trucks. I too live in California, checked my tranny out and you guessed it! I have the 4R100.... I guess living in Caliornia has its advantages!
Perhaps the two dealers who were emphatic about you receiving the 4R70W tranny aren't educated on this subject and just assumed it was because it's standard in all F-150's outside of California.
Welcome aboard....
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With my understanding and the information on this thread, you'll receive the 4R100 transmission.... the "Beefier" one.
It has to do with California Emissions. The only other way you can get the 4R100 is if you purchase the F-250 heavy duty series trucks. I too live in California, checked my tranny out and you guessed it! I have the 4R100.... I guess living in Caliornia has its advantages!
Perhaps the two dealers who were emphatic about you receiving the 4R70W tranny aren't educated on this subject and just assumed it was because it's standard in all F-150's outside of California.
Welcome aboard....
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Considering a new Supercrew... But am confused over this transmission issue. I am worried about reliability. First dealer told me that the truck comes with the 4R100 - said it came with the towing package - whether you had the 4.6 or the 5.4.
Next two dealers are emphatic that the truck only comes with the 4R70W - regardless of which engine OR if you have the towing package. (I am in California, BTW!) All this runs counter to the above posts. Other than this great site - can find nothing online. Dealers are so helpful - "It has a four speed automatic"... DUH
Drove the 4.6 and see no need to upgrade to 5.4 - Great power/acceleration.. but if for my $800 - $1000 for the 5.4 I also get the heavier duty trannie... may have to consider. ANYbody out there with a good answer??
Next two dealers are emphatic that the truck only comes with the 4R70W - regardless of which engine OR if you have the towing package. (I am in California, BTW!) All this runs counter to the above posts. Other than this great site - can find nothing online. Dealers are so helpful - "It has a four speed automatic"... DUH
Drove the 4.6 and see no need to upgrade to 5.4 - Great power/acceleration.. but if for my $800 - $1000 for the 5.4 I also get the heavier duty trannie... may have to consider. ANYbody out there with a good answer??
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I did not know that the rating applied after the converter, just goes to show ya...But to the best of my knowledge, we don't make a 4R100 for any 4.6L, I'll check a build sheet and let ya know about that.
Ah, on the CA thing, it's my understanding that the 4R70W is not rated for CARB, so all CA Emissions trucks get 4R100s, as well as all Lightnings, otherwise you have to go Super Duty or settle for a 4R70.
GBE
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Ah, on the CA thing, it's my understanding that the 4R70W is not rated for CARB, so all CA Emissions trucks get 4R100s, as well as all Lightnings, otherwise you have to go Super Duty or settle for a 4R70.
GBE
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WELL folks....
Talked to a couple more CA dealers... who are insisting that the 4R70W is the ONLY tranny in the F150 Supercrew. I had one fleet mgr. do quite a bit of research and read to me straight from the books... Don't know if he went out and actually looked at the trucks... I have been too busy to get into a dealer myself in several weeks since I started to try to get this info.
SO... hope to get some free time to go look at trucks next week and open the damn doors and look inside at the tag. I read somewhere in here that if you check under or next to the "TR" there will be a "U" or an "E".
We will see... Does the 4R100 come with either engine??? With the towing Package??? (that would be a great value!) With the 5.4 ONLY???? or am i stuck with the lighter duty trannie in a truck??
Any CA supercrew owners out there?? All due respect to you fine folks on line here... I want to be POSITIVE. Would like to get this ironed out before I order.
Thanks for the "welcome" Lariat Ryder. Been really enjoying this site...
Talked to a couple more CA dealers... who are insisting that the 4R70W is the ONLY tranny in the F150 Supercrew. I had one fleet mgr. do quite a bit of research and read to me straight from the books... Don't know if he went out and actually looked at the trucks... I have been too busy to get into a dealer myself in several weeks since I started to try to get this info.
SO... hope to get some free time to go look at trucks next week and open the damn doors and look inside at the tag. I read somewhere in here that if you check under or next to the "TR" there will be a "U" or an "E".
We will see... Does the 4R100 come with either engine??? With the towing Package??? (that would be a great value!) With the 5.4 ONLY???? or am i stuck with the lighter duty trannie in a truck??
Any CA supercrew owners out there?? All due respect to you fine folks on line here... I want to be POSITIVE. Would like to get this ironed out before I order.
Thanks for the "welcome" Lariat Ryder. Been really enjoying this site...