Brossman,
Sounds like you only have a single row rad. The same as I have (but not what I should have) Closest to the cab you measured 1" that should be 1.42". My 98 F150 had a double row rad and that measured 2" at that point. If you look at the tanks at the sides or each end of the rad they are probably a little over 2" wide. If you had a double row rad the whole space between the 2 end tanks would be filled and right now mine has only half the space filled the tanks are a lot wider than the actual cooling fins. The other rad like device in front of that that you measured about 1.5" will be for your air conditioner. One of the small coolers in front of that is for the transmission. The other small one is either for power steering or an engine oil cooler.

I called my dealer they said I have the correct rad but I am not convinced and will have to go back with some proof. I have not been in a hurry to get this fixed but will need to get this resolved before the summer towing season. I tow 7000lb trailer and WANT the maximun cooling.

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2001 Silver XLT 2x4 SuperCrew (Gen II) 5.4L 3.55LS Tow Package & Cab Steps

Mods: K&N Filter, LoRider by Raider Fiberglass Tonneau, Stull Billet Grille in Black

Tow: 31FT. Glendette Deluxe Camper Trailer

recent memory: 1998 F150 XLT SC 4.6l

 

Went to dealership for free oil change today and spoke to service rep about the readiator problem. She printed something about the truck and said that it has the correct rad in it. I told her about his site and everyone else with the same problem and she said to go talk to the sales manager. I spoke wit him and he said that the only trucks that are supposed to have the 1.42" rad in them are the ones with the HD towing option, not just the trailer tow package. I argued back and forth with the sales manager to no avail, so I asked about the Ford rep. I already have to speak to her about some paint issues, so I will discuss the radiator issue with her. On top of all this, when I bought the truck, it was explained to me that I had the HD option, come to find out now, I don't. Can you say screwed again?!?
Hopefully you guys have more luck than I did.

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2001 SCrew Lariat
AZ Beige/DW Blue
5.4L, AirRaid Intake, K&N Filter, Ravin Z-33 Exhaust SI/DO, Power Moon Roof, Westin Stainless Nerf Bars, Vent Visors And Bug Deflector, Custom Tinted Windows, Upgraded Audio System, Custom Hitch-Haul Receiver System

Coming!!
HyperTech Power Programmer (when available)
PowerAid Spacer
Rims & Tires
Air Dam Replacement W/ Driving Lights

 

Adamski-

Sounds like your dealer is misinformed...(go figure) you either have the tow pkg, or nothing...on the f150 series, there is no HD tow pkg. You can get the HD cooling/electrical pkg seperate, but if you have the class III tow, it comes with it. In the source book, it lists (for your 01 screw) 5.4L-Auto,SC (super cooling) 1.42" rad. Tell us what the rep says....

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2000 XLT Silver 5.4L SC 4X4 ORP 157"wb Ford Floormats, Mudguards,Cabin Air Filter, lighted emblems, lighted interior door handles(all 4) Chrome Grill (4x2 style), Diamondplate bed caps, Pro-Tech tool box, Air Box mod, Muth Signal Mirrors, Custom Gauge Pod-(water temp, trans temp)
Perma-cool 8" Electric Trans Cooler Fan, (2) Perma-cool 14" electrics, Superchip (flipchip), Map lights in overhead, rear pass, tinted windows, back up lights.

 

adamski-

Hmmm, heavy duty towing package? I didn't even know there was one as an option. All my lists show a single towing package (Class III) that includes the heavy duty cooling package. When trying to figure out what this means, one would think that "heavy duty" means better than standard. Well, the standard is the 1.02" radiator. When you go to the Ford Specs, they don't delineate a "heavy duty" radiator, they call it a "Super cooling" radiator (or SC) which is spec'd out at 1.42".

I would be interested to know how I could have ordered your dealer's Heavy Duty towing package instead of my regular one! (sarcasm) Have you ever seen it as an option?

 

Check here and do the following and you will see the 2001 SCrew Super cooling SC is a 2.02 two row.

http://www.fordtraining.com/

click on the 2000 Source book under the Print Libaray. A new page and a small box well show up in the small box scroll down to the 2001 Super Crew. On page 28 your will find Super cooling (SC) is listed as a 2.02" tow row. OK now go to

http://www.fordtraining.com/

And click on 2001 eSource Book (Truck). Now click on F150 and then click on Specifications scroll down to Technical Specifications under Cooling Systems click on COOLING SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS this will bring up a chart and you will see the 1.4" one row.

OK NOW to prove that you have the larger RAD go to


http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f-150supercrew/

and click on Build and Price and you will find 3 pages into building it this.


Options Package

Class III Trailer Tow Group $350.00
- 7-Pin Trailer Wiring Harness
- Class III Frame-Mounted Hitch Receiver
- Heavy-Duty Electrical/Cooling Package
- Heavy-Duty 72-Amp Hr Battery
- Upgraded Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler (5.4L Engine)
- Super Engine Cooling (Radiator Upgrade)
- Heavy-Duty Shock Absorbers


Good LUCK to all that got SCREWed

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Screwit,

I printed out all that same information yesterday! I have a fast printer, so I even printed out the whole 2001 SuperCrew Guide. We'll see how it works when I go into the dealership Tues.



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2001 White 4x4 SuperCrew (Lariat), 5.4L, limited slip, skid plates, towing pkg, captains chairs, CD changer

SuperChip; Black Westin Nerf Bars; Husky Mud Guards (F&R); Beige CatchAll's (F&R)

 

Someone asked if anyone has the correct one. Not that I have seen. I have looked at five Screws and a few other 2001 f150's and none, not one had anything larger than a 1.02" radiator. The trucks without tow package had a radiator with fewer fins, but the same 1.02" thickness. The dealer here in town said I have the right radiator, but a Ford rep at thier 800# thought I did have a missbuilt truck. He called the dealer I bought it from and talked to the service department. They called me back and said every truck they have has the 1.02". I have to have it corrected at the dealer I bought it from even though it is over 100 miles away. I'm not driving that far until I can know for sure that they will replace my radiator. I did have them list my complaint onto my service record so that if I overheat this summer towing close to the listed max I can get a new motor and radiator.

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2001 Supercrew XLT 4x4, 5.4, tow pkg, limited slip, skid plates, 6 disk, keyless entry. Deepwedgewood blue ext. Dark graphite int.

Mods: full tint, westin chrome nerf bars, AR chrome sliders 16x8 and BFG AT 285/75, Airaid FIPK, Husky floor mats

 

I spoke to my service manager today with the
information I collected from Screwit's post.
Basically his response was, "what is wrong with what you have". And of course all I could say was, "I want what I paid for."
He will try to find out what radiator I should have, but he was quick to point out that Ford is free to change specs at any time, without notification.
So it may come down to this, how can one prove it was as oversight (as logic would indicate) and not simply a specification change, as is an easy response by a lazy dealer or uninterested manufactorer?
Has anyone been able to contact Ford directly?

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Craig Brossman
2001 SCrew 5.4L 4WD Lariat
Az Beige/Wedgewood Blue
Cpts. chairs, Moon roof, Tow package, CD changer
3.55 lim. slip, Rear slider, Skid plates
Mods:Ford Bedliner, Ford BugGaurd, Westin Step Bar, WeatherBoot Floor Mats

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If you paid for super engine cooling that Ford Hypes up is there docs, than spec change or not you better get some type of super engine cooling that NON super engine cooled trucks don't have. That's like Ford saying we change the spec and the Super Crew is now a two door you paid for a four door so Ford can change the truck all want but if they sell you a four door it better have four doors. So Ford can change super engine cooling all they want but if they sell it they better install it!

 

Brossman-

If you find out how to speak to Ford directly, please let us know. There are more than a few earfulls that I want them to know about the "Blue Oval" POS, F&^KING dealership that is ladden with liars and crooks.

As for my earlier post, I called an old family friend that lives out of state, and he tried to do what he could to look up some info for me. He is going to try and research the rad problem and see if he can find some kind of alternative for me. Here's the kicker though--
When I went through with the purchase, no one bothered to explain to me that the vehicle was sold to me under a "duplicate" invoice. No one ever said that the original invoice couldn't be found, so they found what the thought was a like vehicle and copied the invoice. Of course I looked at it and didn't realize the vin # wasn't on the sheet, I figured that it was impertinent information, and as long as it showed the options that I wanted, I was ok.
Forwarning to all considering the purchase of a new vehicle--- Check the invoice and all info on it prior to signing anything. Make sure that if has every little detail that is listed, and that they show you the original that has not been altered or copied.

Sorry guys I had to vent a little. Maybe I'll see what my friend can dig up before I speak to the rep. Who knows? As much as I love this truck, I am almost ready to park this thing in the showroom and chalk the money up to a stupid mistake. (not the truck, the unwilling to help dealership)


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2001 SCrew Lariat
AZ Beige/DW Blue
5.4L, AirRaid Intake, K&N Filter, Ravin Z-33 Exhaust SI/DO, Power Moon Roof, Westin Stainless Nerf Bars, Vent Visors And Bug Deflector, Custom Tinted Windows, Upgraded Audio System, Custom Hitch-Haul Receiver System

Coming!!
HyperTech Power Programmer (when available)
PowerAid Spacer
Rims & Tires
Air Dam Replacement W/ Driving Lights

 

What a difference a day makes.
Even as I was writting my last post from home, there was a message here at work from the service manager. He had spoken to one engineer at Ford, and that individual said he was not aware of any spec changes in this area. The sevice manager checked my truck and 2 others on the lot, and states that they all have the light duty radiator ... and he says he will do some more investigation but currently believes I am due another radiator and he'll get approval from Ford.
In addition, I joined Ford owners club, which allowed me to send email questions to Ford. I asked them for the specs on my 5.4L Tow Package equiped radiator with my specific build date. They asked for the VIN, my phone # ... so if feels that they are serious.
Here's what I'll try to do. Once I get the final information from my dealer, I'll try to get it all out to you in a form that you can easily use with your dealer. Something like "My radiator is part #xxxx, light duty. Ford claims it should be part #yyyy, super cooling. Check with Mr. Ed if you don't believe me." I'll see what I can do, no sense all of us having to go thru the same time consuming process.
So 2 thumbs up for John Elway Ford in Boulder, though the service manager had a gruff exterior, he did what he said he would very quickly.

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Craig Brossman
2001 SCrew 5.4L 4WD Lariat
Az Beige/Wedgewood Blue
Cpts. chairs, Moon roof, Tow package, CD changer
3.55 lim. slip, Rear slider, Skid plates
Mods:Ford Bedliner, Ford BugGaurd, Westin Step Bar, WeatherBoot Floor Mats

 

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How can this happen to an Arizona Truck???
I measured the top of my radiator tank, and sure enough 1". I will contact my dealer later today. What a scam Ford could have gotten away with, without the electronic bulletin boards of the electronic age.
My thanks to the first person who scratched his (her) head and said, Humph, this don't look right!


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2001 Lariat SCrew Oxford White / House of Kolor Sunset Orange Pearl 2Tone.
TruckMaster Designs FD630-S AirDam,AirAid,Gibson9504/Split Rear Exhaust,Fac Moon Roof,3:55LS,6CD,Gen III/Beige,Steps,Slider,Tow,Capt's,Bed Extd, Bell Tech 2" Shackles

Check out my Photo's at

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jeff_east

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Brossman-

That is good news. I expect to hear from my service manager today. Hopefully, it will be good news. Thanks for keeping us posted and let us know how it pans out for you. I will do the same.

 

picture dsc0006 shows the radiator/coolers set up i described in my earlier post

http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4292961925

1.02" radiator (although this photo appears to have a larger radiator)

another approx. 1.02" radiator approx. 1.5" forward of the first with approx. .5" metal tubes going down toward the engine block on the passenger side.

another 1.5 inches in front of that theres two other coolers down low. passenger side is approx. 8" X 10" in size and on the drivers side the other is approx. 2" X 8".


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[This message has been edited by Kenny (edited 03-09-2001).]

 

Hi All,
Not wanting to jump into your discussion but most of you that have the ole' slapper 5.4 have a credit on your window sticker for alternator if you have the tow pkg. This is because the 5.4 already has the HD alt on it. This is just a little info I have found out so far. If they become a@@holes about it, just get the source book and it states that the tow pkg comes with HD Supercooling Radiator under contents.
I havent' got mine yet but plan on it Monday. Or a new truck which ever way is fine with me!!! Or possibly a new truck and they pay for it!!!