crash! i have been reading some of ur posts from before..and im quite stumped in what to get...can u straight up tell me what would win..a procharged truck or the svt supercharged truck..same boost and everything...i really need some kinda guidence..i dont wanna buy one and not be satisfied, so please...straight up! im sure u tested both so if you dont mind, your opinon matters! thanks for the help.



in case u wanna see
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Are you trying to built a drag truck or DD?

 

Hey man, nice truck. I see you're running DD's huh? Which ones? I'm running a 9512 in 2.75 cubes with 1432W. Can you say ear bleed? Hahaha...anyway if I had the 5.4L I would go for the "L" conversion just because it's roots, (right?) and offers the OEM reliability, however I think it's quite a bit more involved than the Procharger. I am looking for a used Procharger for my 4.6L. My goal is 300RWHP with the basic kit and no tune. (I may be dreaming, but no one has pinched me yet.)

 

I valid question that will....get this thread closed! haha!

Win what? off the line? 1/8th?, 1/4th?, highway?

What boost level? "stock" boost?, some specific higher boost level?

No NOS or NOS? If so, how much?

Which procharger? P1 or D1 or F1?

Which SVT lightning blower? M112, Ported M112, Magnum Powers?
2.3 twinscrew, single turbo? Or pending 3.3 twinscrew?

This does not include engine and drivetrain mods questions.

Right now, a SVT lightning assembly 2.3 twinscrew adapter kit made 1,023 rwtq. on a F150 5.4. This is not only the highest numbers I have seen, the power would also build the fastest.

Right now, a SVT lightning assembly 2.3 twinscrew adapter kit holds the fastest recorded times for off the line, 1/8th, and 1/4th in a F150 5.4 single cab (Lightning) and a F150 5.4 crewcab (Harley Davidson).

Having said all that, I have not seen any E.T.s from a F150 5.4 with a Procharger F1, or a single turbo, or a twin turbo, or a 3.3 twinscrew.

Which would "win"?
What is the most "powerful"?
What is the "fastest"?

You might as well ask, who would "win", Batman or Spiderman (Batman would kick @ss).

 

OK Crash... I thought I was the only one without PI heads!

How much boost is he running?
What mods?
Does he have Mad's pulley?

I NEED TO KNOW!!!

 

Newp, I have non-PI heads too. I was going to ask the same questions, but figured I've asked enough questions for a while. If that's the basic kit, no tune, then I'm selling everything not bolted down so I can get my Procharger!!!

Does anyone even install a basic kit without doing the custom tune? Seems as if everyone else has gone all out. Doesn't it add about $1,500 to "do it right"?

 

i dont want a full drag truck..i want something that will give me a kick wen i want to play! do the two systems sound the same? or is the procharger way louder?..by they way crash do u have any 1/4 times on a truck like mine with a procharger?..and to iorn horse, thanks for all ur help, but one more question how much better is a ported eaton than a stock one?

 

I hate to be a turd but if he ran a 13.7X and spanked a Lightning the driver of the L couldn't drive/got a bad launch/is completely stock!!! Hell at stock boost, full weight and an experienced driver can pull 13.7's all day long in an L. But that isn't the limit, they can be reliably turned up to run mid/high 12's on just a grand or so and some seat time.....

I wouldn't say Marginal, L owners are meticulous about mods and will try anything out but if it doesn't work they will chunk it. post in the L forum and start counting i'm willing to bet 95% of the guys running an Eaton has it ported!! For a stock block the gains are worth the buck not to mention increase the efficency of the intercooler. Yes a twin screw would be better but more $$ and the MP is a step above the ported eaton but needs to be spun fast 20+psi to really be worth it....


Now i'm not trying to knock Procharger as i think they have a great system but i don't think the coparison is as cut and dry as some people make it to be. Either way you decide i guarantee you'll be happy. Why not buy both, and sell the one you are least happy with.... you WILL get your money back!!

 

For about $350-$500 for the porting, you get several more psi of boost for same diameter pulleys, it runs a little cooler and you gain some hp. Overall, it seems like a great mod for the money.

With a stock block, stock eaton M112 and stock everything, if you just go from the stock 8 psi to 12 psi, and get a chip, you can go from bone stock 13s
to mid 12s in the 1/4.

Times For Single Cab Flareside 5.4 with roots/twinscrews:
Stock Block/No Nos, Eaton M112 = mid 12s in 1/4
Built Block/No Nos, with Ported Eaton M112 = 11.36 in 1/4
Stock Long Block/No Nos, with 2.3 twinscrew = 11.31 in 1/4
Built Block/Nos, Magnum Powers Roots = mid 10s in 1/4
Built Everything/Nos, 2.3 twinscrew = 9.7 in 1/4

Here is a list of recorded times with a mods. legend:
http://www.nloc.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=78736

For us as, supercab and supercrew owners we can review the Harley Davidson 5.4 with roots/twinscrew E.Ts:
Stock Block/No Nos, Eaton M112 = 12.8 in 1/4
Built Block/Nos, 2.3 twinscrew = 10.9 in 1/4

Here is a list of recorded times with a mods. legend:
http://www.nhtoc.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=238

I say, screw all this go fast crap! I say, keep your F150 stock, and spend the money on a Ford Ranger, paint it to look like your F150 and have a
"mini me"! Yeah, I know....

I need mental

 

Have you been picking my brain?

 

thanks u guys are helping me out plenty! i may think of up grading to the twin screw if i get a roots style, but is the upgrade really 3 grand?.another qyestion is the roots style as loud as the ati procharger?.but wen u guys say tune and stuff do i need a chip and a programer? if so which are ideal?

 

New, yes the twinscrew adapter kit is 3k. Check www.nloc.net for used versions.

No. It is not as loud and they make different sounds.

Dyno tuned chip is ideal for all kits and systems, if the dyno operator knows what they are doing. It appears that PSP can do a good mail order pre tuned chip for the lightning assembly very well. You can get a single tune (daily driver) or a dual tune (daily and race programs).

 

Whipple's & KB's have their own unique blower whine. I think it's about as loud as the ATI, but it's a different type of sound.

The ATI sounds like a turbo whistling, with some gear noise as well. The Whipple/KB is more like a typical blower whine, lower frequency noise than the ATI.

I think the Whipple/KB blower whine sounds wicked. The sound alone is worth the price of the blower.

 

do u kno if mads kit comes with a chip?

 

Quoted from the madenterprise Lightning assembly swap page found at
http://www.madenterprise.com/scparts.htm

"You will need to have a custom tuned chip to make it all work. There are many sources, to be sure, but "experience counts" so talk to your supplier to be sure he has worked with this combination before. I have seen Sal from Power Surge Performance dial in the 90mm MAF / 42# Injector combination like he had done it 1000 times. He should be able to do the same for you. He can be reached at 631/642-3966.

Finally, I also offer my assistance, anytime, with problems or questions about the installation. I have a list of question with answers and some pix that will help make the installation go smoothly. I have been through this process myself and helped numerous others through it."