kicker 07cvr102 & punch 500-2
kicker 07cvr102 & punch 500-2
I put a kicker 07cvr102 which is a dvc 10" 2ohm model in a 1.63 cu inch box where the center console used to be with a punch 500-2. I'm running the speaker in series for a 4ohm load and using the amp in bridged mode which should be putting out 500 watts rms according to everything I've read.
My concern is that it is nowhere near as loud as I "think" it should be. It wont vibrate the passenger side mirror and it barely vibrates the rearview and drivers side mirror only on certain notes. If you step outside the truck you can't hear the bass out all.
I'm also running a 2xs that is about 13 years old and the factory radio. (Could one of these two items possibly be my issue?)
So what exactly is my problem or am I just expecting TOO much from a single dvc 10" speaker?
For comparison 15 years ago I had a ford ranger with 4 toby 12's (single voice coil) and a punch 200 that you could hear from a mile away and would rattle every window in any house I drove by. Not to mention the roof of the truck would move about an inch or more. Now I do realize that was 4 12's but from my understanding these 15 year newer DUAL VOICE COIL speakers are supposed to rock compared to what I was used to back in the stone ages.
My concern is that it is nowhere near as loud as I "think" it should be. It wont vibrate the passenger side mirror and it barely vibrates the rearview and drivers side mirror only on certain notes. If you step outside the truck you can't hear the bass out all.
I'm also running a 2xs that is about 13 years old and the factory radio. (Could one of these two items possibly be my issue?)
So what exactly is my problem or am I just expecting TOO much from a single dvc 10" speaker?
For comparison 15 years ago I had a ford ranger with 4 toby 12's (single voice coil) and a punch 200 that you could hear from a mile away and would rattle every window in any house I drove by. Not to mention the roof of the truck would move about an inch or more. Now I do realize that was 4 12's but from my understanding these 15 year newer DUAL VOICE COIL speakers are supposed to rock compared to what I was used to back in the stone ages.
Last edited by 07ScrewF150; Feb 28, 2011 at 07:42 PM.
So is your concern that you aren't getting the sound you want inside the truck, or that you can't annoy the crap out of people by cranking the volume in a juvenile attemp to try and impress everyone outside the truck?
Brad
Brad
fyi, my intentions arent to annoy anyone going down the interstate. i have enough courtesy to turn the volume down when i pull into a neighborhood.
and my concern is that it doesnt seem loud enough in the vehicle and you can't hear it outside the truck at all.
now that ive explained myself can i get some help or advice?
Your description mentioned shaking mirrors and how you couldn't hear it outside the truck. It said exactly zilch about SPL or quality inside the the cab. Don't get pissy if we can't read your mind.
Now that you've clarified your intentions we can constructively address the issue...
1. You're running a factory HU. The factory HU has a massive amount of loudness/low gain built into it. Unfortunately it's done by about 1/3-1/2 volume and caps the low frequency signal at that level no matter how much louder you crank it. You're never going to really kick out the low end until you replace the factory HU.
2. You're trying to compare a middle-of-the-road 10" to four bandbass-enclosured push-pull 12"s. That's like comparing a bullhorn to the PA system at Cowboys Stadium.
It seems you've some pretty unrealistic expectations for your current equipment. At a bare minimum you'll need to ditch the factory HU and go with at least two 12" SPL-specific subs in a very precisely made enclosure to get the performance you want. Minimum.
Brad
Now that you've clarified your intentions we can constructively address the issue...
1. You're running a factory HU. The factory HU has a massive amount of loudness/low gain built into it. Unfortunately it's done by about 1/3-1/2 volume and caps the low frequency signal at that level no matter how much louder you crank it. You're never going to really kick out the low end until you replace the factory HU.
2. You're trying to compare a middle-of-the-road 10" to four bandbass-enclosured push-pull 12"s. That's like comparing a bullhorn to the PA system at Cowboys Stadium.
It seems you've some pretty unrealistic expectations for your current equipment. At a bare minimum you'll need to ditch the factory HU and go with at least two 12" SPL-specific subs in a very precisely made enclosure to get the performance you want. Minimum.
Brad
Last edited by Brad Johnson; Mar 1, 2011 at 03:23 PM.
A single, low quality 10" driver in a sealed enclosure isn't going to rock the neighborhood. Since you got 1.63 cu ft out of it, use a design program to figure out the required port length/size and port that box. Should add a solid 3-4dB of output for you.
If you want to really shake stuff, you need more power, more woofers and bigger woofers. No replacement for displacement.
As far as old vs. new, yes there is a lot of solid equipment out there on the market. The issue is that you must look past the mainstream garbage. RF, Kicker, etc aren't what they used to be.
If you want to really shake stuff, you need more power, more woofers and bigger woofers. No replacement for displacement.
As far as old vs. new, yes there is a lot of solid equipment out there on the market. The issue is that you must look past the mainstream garbage. RF, Kicker, etc aren't what they used to be.
Your description mentioned shaking mirrors and how you couldn't hear it outside the truck. It said exactly zilch about SPL or quality inside the the cab. Don't get pissy if we can't read your mind.
Now that you've clarified your intentions we can constructively address the issue...
1. You're running a factory HU. The factory HU has a massive amount of loudness/low gain built into it. Unfortunately it's done by about 1/3-1/2 volume and caps the low frequency signal at that level no matter how much louder you crank it. You're never going to really kick out the low end until you replace the factory HU.
2. You're trying to compare a middle-of-the-road 10" to four bandbass-enclosured push-pull 12"s. That's like comparing a bullhorn to the PA system at Cowboys Stadium.
It seems you've some pretty unrealistic expectations for your current equipment. At a bare minimum you'll need to ditch the factory HU and go with at least two 12" SPL-specific subs in a very precisely made enclosure to get the performance you want. Minimum.
Brad
Now that you've clarified your intentions we can constructively address the issue...
1. You're running a factory HU. The factory HU has a massive amount of loudness/low gain built into it. Unfortunately it's done by about 1/3-1/2 volume and caps the low frequency signal at that level no matter how much louder you crank it. You're never going to really kick out the low end until you replace the factory HU.
2. You're trying to compare a middle-of-the-road 10" to four bandbass-enclosured push-pull 12"s. That's like comparing a bullhorn to the PA system at Cowboys Stadium.
It seems you've some pretty unrealistic expectations for your current equipment. At a bare minimum you'll need to ditch the factory HU and go with at least two 12" SPL-specific subs in a very precisely made enclosure to get the performance you want. Minimum.
Brad
The 4 12's I had were in a sealed enclosure that I built to fit in the ext cab of my ranger, nothing fancy and I've honestly never heard anything as good as them, maybe I just got lucky back in the day.
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A single, low quality 10" driver in a sealed enclosure isn't going to rock the neighborhood. Since you got 1.63 cu ft out of it, use a design program to figure out the required port length/size and port that box. Should add a solid 3-4dB of output for you.
If you want to really shake stuff, you need more power, more woofers and bigger woofers. No replacement for displacement.
As far as old vs. new, yes there is a lot of solid equipment out there on the market. The issue is that you must look past the mainstream garbage. RF, Kicker, etc aren't what they used to be.
If you want to really shake stuff, you need more power, more woofers and bigger woofers. No replacement for displacement.
As far as old vs. new, yes there is a lot of solid equipment out there on the market. The issue is that you must look past the mainstream garbage. RF, Kicker, etc aren't what they used to be.


