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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mSaLL150
Yes, i have heard a P3, the Pioneer Premier shallows, and a few others. The pioneer is terrible, my friend has one.

Keep in mind, not everyone has room for 4 12s.

You want a quality shallow? Aliante. But good luck finding one.
I didn't have the room either , I made the room . But only enough to use shallow subs .
 
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hen23
46 oz motor + low sensitivity and the traditional small excursion of shallow subs = not much ability to get loud.

I've only heard one in a store in a spec Rockford ported box, and it was far better than other shallows but it still wasn't that good even compared to a standard P3.

OP - Shallows are a compromise. Don't make it if you don't have to.
Of course it wasn't as good as a regular sub , It is a Shallow Sub . But how many people have room in their trucks to put in subs with a 6-8 " mounting depth ? Shallows are a compromise , but if you want base in tight spaces , it is the only alternative . Why do you think I put in 4 , so that I get the output of 2-3 regular 12's .
 
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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Of course it wasn't as good as a regular sub , It is a Shallow Sub . But how many people have room in their trucks to put in subs with a 6-8 " mounting depth ? Shallows are a compromise , but if you want base in tight spaces , it is the only alternative . Why do you think I put in 4 , so that I get the output of 2-3 regular 12's .
Only thing is, with the space under the seat people do often have space for traditional divers. With older regular cab trucks (which I think you might have, I could be wayyy off) shallows are often the only solution. But there is alot more space in these trucks than most think, if they care to take a look and perhaps build a box themselves - especially with split bench/captains single cab NBS F150s. Fiberglass opens up a whole nother world beyond that, but obviously most cannot do that.

I have nothing against the P3 - it's one of the best shallows price-for-product wise. But it is still a massive compromise over a standard driver, and if it isn't necessary to make that compromise then it shouldn't be made IMO.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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Only thing is, with the space under the seat people do often have space for traditional divers. With older regular cab trucks (which I think you might have, I could be wayyy off) shallows are often the only solution. But there is alot more space in these trucks than most think, if they care to take a look and perhaps build a box themselves - especially with split bench/captains single cab NBS F150s. Fiberglass opens up a whole nother world beyond that, but obviously most cannot do that.

I have nothing against the P3 - it's one of the best shallows price-for-product wise. But it is still a massive compromise over a standard driver, and if it isn't necessary to make that compromise then it shouldn't be made IMO.

I have a 2001 Supercrew . I have 4 P3 (Shallow) 12's behind the rear seat and 3 amps . There is not enough depth for a standard sub . I probably have 100 hours just making the 4 shallows and 3 amps fit . I have yet to see anyone else do it .






 

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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 1bad86vmax
Of course it wasn't as good as a regular sub , It is a Shallow Sub . But how many people have room in their trucks to put in subs with a 6-8 " mounting depth ? Shallows are a compromise , but if you want base in tight spaces , it is the only alternative . Why do you think I put in 4 , so that I get the output of 2-3 regular 12's .
i do. you have to be creative with your space available
100 hrs damn thats a lot. looks good though. nice work
 

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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 11:45 PM
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i do. you have to be creative with your space available
100 hrs damn thats a lot. looks good though. nice work
Lets see some pics of yours .
 
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 01:05 AM
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I have a 2001 Supercrew . I have 4 P3 (Shallow) 12's behind the rear seat and 3 amps . There is not enough depth for a standard sub . I probably have 100 hours just making the 4 shallows and 3 amps fit . I have yet to see anyone else do it .
I have seen that once personally, in a F350 crew cab with Pioneers. I truly respect your ability to fabricate/install - I had seen that setup before and liked it alot. It's far more than I ever could do. Heck I can build a barn but I can't even begin to think about a box with a slanted face.

My comment was in reference to underseat installs, where there is 6 inches of mounting depth. Why compromise there - where the average consumer is putting subs - when you do not have to?

PS - What amps are those? Quite the lookers.
 
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 08:41 AM
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I have seen that once personally, in a F350 crew cab with Pioneers. I truly respect your ability to fabricate/install - I had seen that setup before and liked it alot. It's far more than I ever could do. Heck I can build a barn but I can't even begin to think about a box with a slanted face.

My comment was in reference to underseat installs, where there is 6 inches of mounting depth. Why compromise there - where the average consumer is putting subs - when you do not have to?

PS - What amps are those? Quite the lookers.
I meant that I have yet see see another 2001-2003 F150 Supercrew with this done . I know what was involved , it was quite a bit more than just building a box and setting it in . There was extensive metal cutting involved . When I started this install , just for ****s and giggles , I called 4 stereo shops and they all said it was impossible to do this . As far as being creative with space , I have audio in just about every place imaginable in this truck . The Amps are MTX Thunder (American Made) 1501D , 282 and 684 . I had them powdercoated white and Yellow .
 
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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I meant that I have yet see see another 2001-2003 F150 Supercrew with this done . I know what was involved , it was quite a bit more than just building a box and setting it in . There was extensive metal cutting involved . When I started this install , just for ****s and giggles , I called 4 stereo shops and they all said it was impossible to do this . As far as being creative with space , I have audio in just about every place imaginable in this truck . The Amps are MTX Thunder (American Made) 1501D , 282 and 684 . I had them powdercoated white and Yellow .
Ahh alright that's why I didn't recognize them at first - great job on that.

Whats the final load on that amp?
 
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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Ahh alright that's why I didn't recognize them at first - great job on that.

Whats the final load on that amp?
1501D is seeing a 2 ohm load .
 
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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1501D is seeing a 2 ohm load .
Too bad MTX doesn't make them anymore. Has yours been modded to run at 1-.5 ohms?
 
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 03:32 AM
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 07:07 AM
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I only see amps . Where are the subs ? Are those the best pics you have ? Can't hardly see anything .
 
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1bad86vmax
I only see amps . Where are the subs ? Are those the best pics you have ? Can't hardly see anything .
the subs are mounted inside that center console from undernieth. i wanted bucket seats in the rear and it was the only thing i could think of at the time to get some sounds in there. its made out of fiberglass with mdf its the first fiberglass box ive done.

i'll get some better pics so itll be easier for you to critisize and pick at it.
 

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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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im working on another box right now to take the place of that one that will hold all 4 of my 12's so this will be thrown out soon
 

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