I am trying to put a list together of everything I need.
Will all this stuff work?

Spark Plugs:
Champion Truck Plugs - What part # for the 302?
Spark Plug Wires & Coil:
Ford Racing http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=6813
Distributor Cap & Rotor:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/mustangw...pandrotor.html

 

Ooh, oh, get red get red!

 

I will, I just was on that pic in the Summit catalog, REd will match my truck also. It will look sweet!

Here ya go:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=6811

 

Well scrap all that. I talked to Mike Troyer at performance products, and I am goin to go with Accel Coil Packs, Denso ITF-16 Spark Plugs, cap & rotor (he has to see what he can get) ,and either Taylor of Accel spark plug wires. All this for a pretty decent price. I am also going to look into ASP pulleys and an Optima Yellow Top battery. He said I would gain roughly 30 hp. thats not bad, I'll take it!

 

30 hp from justa tune-up? damn, doesnt that sound a bit high?

 

18 hp from the tune up, 12 from pulleys.
The Denso plugs have proven gains on most 4cyl rice rockets of 6 hp. So I guess 10 hp from those, and 8 from all the other high performance ignition stuff. Mike said that these #'s are good for the 5.0 and 5.8. Also he said that the 95-96 5.0L engines had 200hp, all other years had 185hp. I guess that the 5.8 hp/tq was also increased

 

oops my bad, i didint noticce you included pulleys in that list.

 

30 HP sounds a bit optimistic unless your truck is really in a crap state of tune. These trucks with a few mods only put around 160-170 to the wheels so improving by 30 HP is IMO only going to happen if you are running around with a bad miss or other major tune problems.

As for 10 HP from the plugs, once again I would doubt that as an improvement over a new plug of decent quality.

I put a complete ignition on my truck including high buck wires, and played with different plugs and gaps. I don't think it was worth 18 HP, but the fuel savings and torque increase was noticed.

 

My truck runs in perfect condition. I though 18hp was a little high, but those are dyno proven #'s, and I know that these #'s are credible. Also I will gain 10-12hp from pulleys, and 13-15hp from electric fans. After I do these mods I will be very close to the limit of the fuel pump. That is about 270-275 hp. Plus Denso Iridium plugs are the best money can buy. I want this truck to last me a while. If I pick up some hp from doing an ignition upgrade, that is just a plus!

 

I also thought that I might have charging problems, since my stereo amp is rated at 38A at max load. i decided to hook up a meter, and maybe it could go that high if I had all the settings cranked all the way. But in its current configuration, with the stereo volume at a level I wouldnt even listen to, I was a steady 3A draw, and a peak of 6A.

 

This is what I am getting:

Accel 300+ 8.8mm Race Wires
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=16386
Accel Super Coil
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=4709
Accel Cap & Rotor
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=4889
Denso Iridium ITF-16 Spark Plugs
http://www.monarchproductsinc.com/denso.htm

If anyone else is interested in upgrading all their ignition stuff, I would recommend giving Mike a call, and putting together a package of your own!

 

Beastie,

I'm not stating the numbers aren't possible, just stating they are likely best case numbers. If you compare a truck with stock old beat components and less than adequate plugs against the new setup you could acheive good gains.

If you compare an already strong setup to your mods chances are gains will be less. When I upgraded my system the plugs were old as were the wires. Even going to all new box, coil, wires and plugs didn't give a huge gain.

I already have intake mods, ignition mods, pulleys, and a cat back. Based on "best case" numbers I could have gained 40-50 HP. Based on reality I haven't gained as much. The truck no doubt runs stronger, but I would guess maybe a 40-50 lb ft gain and maybe 15-20 HP.

As for the Densos, I haven't tried them but have seen small gains posted in the L forums. Small gains can be had by indexing alone or by side gapping the plugs.

I'm not trying to knock your selection Beasite, I have some of the same mods. I just think you are estimating on the high side of reality. Few mods back their claims on the dyno, including the ones I have invested in. Some come closer than others, but when looking at owner dynos usually most come up short.

 

Be very careful of assuming HP gains from using those plugs on ricemotors also apply to American iron.

HP = torque x RPM /5252

If you have a rice motor that makes its HP peak at 7000 RPM, a trick plug that works better at that elevated RPM may produce significant HP gains but you'll never see them on your engine at 4000. You're unlikely to see even a proportional gain based on RPM ranges simply because virtually any reputable plug will perform well at your RPM. I frankly don't think you're going to see anything like the gains you're expecting. The pulleys are worth a lot more like 5HP than they are 12. 18 HP from a tuneup is way out of line on an engine that is aready in proper tune.

When you read ads or talk to speed parts vendors remember one thing: NO SPEED PARTS MANUFACTURER TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GAINS YOU CAN EXPECT FROM USING THEIR PARTS. The favorite trick is to build a monster engine that will make a ton of power but leave one critical part (the one they are selling the replacement for) stock. They do a before dyno run swap their part and do an after dyno run. They can show you the dyno sheets to prove a 37 HP gain, but on an otherwise stock engine, their part is good for maybe 5HP.

I don't think you're going to be anywhere near 275 HP without better heads, a cam upgrade and a whole lot of induction work

 

Strange you maybe right in some instances, but ASP pulleys will add 12 hp on a stock engine. Dynos have been done, and have been posted on here showing this. The pulleys for the 4.2 v-6 adds 7.9 rwhp on a stock engine. and the fans are also the same. I am sure most companies do advertise like you said on huge engines. But I have seen dyno graphs showing these gains on stock - relatively stock Ford trucks. The really test will be once I upgrade everything, I will see if there is a difference. Also fans will help alot off the line, because currently my truck has to spin that 12lbs fan up to speed once I mash the gas. If I dont have that fan, the engine will rev even faster. I completely eliminate 1 form of parasitic loss. And pulleys will reduce the parasitic loss.

 

Beastie,
Make sure you post your results.This is a setup i would definetly get.