We're on a roll here. First Hussein, then Bin Laden, now Jong is gone.

http://news.yahoo.com/north-korean-l...030848603.html

 

Man I hope his son doesn't try to prove he is worthy..... I really don't feel like WW3 right now. Plus it's cold as crap here!!!

 

No we're not. Someone even crazier will take his place. Bank on it.

 

Yeah, no one really knows the son to well... Other than he's smart in politics and intelligence and is a hard leader like his father... Hope he doesn't try to grow up and fill those shoes to fast... He'll be maggit food before he's 30...

 

Who will take his place as the "Worlds Greatest Golfer" now??

 

I thought I read somewhere that his son is worse than he is....I guess we will find out soon enough.

 

I got to chat with a friend that works with the South Korean Gov"t and his view is that China and Russia will not back another N Korean Gov't like the old one. Young son is going to have to learn to get along or the S Koreans will take the North with China and Russian blessings. The N Koreans have been a major thorn in their side and with Jongs death, this is the end of their supporting another similar Gov't. The S Koreans are already preparing for the eventual take over from the South. Per his comments, it's not if the South takes over but when. Hopefully the Chinese will sit down with the guy and give him an explanation. It makes the Chinese look bad when the Gov't they support has nukes but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of it citizens thru starvation. I guess we'll see.

 

You sorta had me till this point. Since when does the Chinese Communist party care about body counts? A mid-range estimate puts them in the 73,000,000 range since 1949. 39,000,000 of that is due to famine. The same estimates have the North Koreans around 3,000,000 since 1948. Seems to me the Koreans can murder off another 70,000,000 or so before the Chinese have much room to talk...

 

I hope this new kid is smart enough to do whats right for his country. The N Koreans are only knows what Kim tells them. It's only a matter of time before the south tries to combine the country once again. I'm not too sure how the US is going to act. I know we will support them but we can only go to the DMZ, after that China will get involved. Only time will tell and we hope this crap finally ends so we can go home! All I can say is if it gets hostile someone is going to have a really bad day.

 

Mine was China and Russia are both backing Iran in the UN for the BS going on.

If China really gave two craps about appearances would they support Iran and the be on the supporting side of the official state status of Palestine ?

But you do have a point, China mows their own people over with tanks right out in the open.

If the South is going after the North again, expect the 50s over again, now the North has the 5th largest army in body count, over 1 M in active service with 7.25M+ in reserve.
The South is about half the size of active staff, and the US is spread all over the place, let alone what China and Russia would do if the US got involved in any way with that conflict.
Don't think the UN is going to be too keen on sending troops for them being the aggressor.

Think I put this one with the post on the new common North American currency that was going to be released any day.
It was sitting in China ready to be released ( like the epicenter of counterfeit is a good place to keep any thing let alone money ).

 

There are a billion people in China. There are about 24 million in North Korea. Statiscally the North Koreans are right up there with the Chinese.

 

North Korea wouldnt last more then a few weeks against the South. The South may not have the numbers the North does in there military but they have the world best equipment. Long as China stayed out if it came down the South would roll the North..

 

If it was a heads up fight North Vs. South the South would walk all over the North. Yes the North has a lot more men on paper but how much of the country is starving to death? Their equipment is old whereas the South has the best stuff we will sell them. A raggedy old MiG against an F-15K is not a fair fight. Tanks would useless since they would have a hard time crossing the DMV and the South would have air superiority in no time flat and pick them off left, right and center.

If you were starving and your long lost cousin was well fed, well trained and with a good job and offered you something similar would you want to fight him? Once the people of the North hear how things really are I don't see them wanting to fight for long.

The problem is China. They did not want the US to have access to their back door in the 1950s and that has not changed. As long as NC is reliant on them there is a buffer zone to keep their southern flank covered.

 

The country in general, yes. The military don't think they are in as bad of shape.
Your post about air superiority sounds vaguely familiar...
Didn't the US think this in Vietnam ??? It is not that easy, look at the US with the issues in Afghanistan and Iraq. We have air superiority in those areas, and it is not a case of roll over a play dead. Libya was not a slam dunk, and air superiority was on the side of the UN by a country mile.

Boots are going to be needed on the ground. The DMZ you say is hard to cross by the North also has to be crossed by the South.

In the North, the propaganda is tightly controlled.
They are told the same cold war stories that Eastern Europe and Russia were told about the US, it is the same there as here ( or more so, it is worse there than here - and show pictures of homeless people in NYC )
The control is so tight, the general population is not allowed in the area that political party members live in just for this reason. The party is living a very good life, and the other sides of the fence is not so good with starvation and floods.
The North had this same type propaganda machine running full bore in the Vietnam conflict. Worked on Jane Fonda...
The US has the same type propaganda machine. Look at the MSM not even waiting for the election to start in earnest before cranking up.
Unfortunately it worked on the majority of the voters before. Hope and Change all the way. Where was any mention of qualifications in the 2008 campaign ?
Propaganda and who controls it is a powerful tool.

This is very true.
China knows the "help" the US can be when push comes to shove.
We left China high and dry in WW-II, and they are not going to fall for it again. They have a way of life that is working very well, don't want to chance anything happening to it.
Another country the US made it what it is today by the actions of the past.
Call me stupid, but I am seeing more and more the actions of the US the past 70 years are really coming around to bite us in the rear. I know small bus to school, slow learner, etc. All applicable. I am trying to come out of the McCarthyism / liberal education that I got.
Slow but working, hey does that make me union ?

 

Good point, per capita they are on even ground ( eye ball, looks like North Korea is slightly above China ). Think it was the "outrage number", not statistically that he was shooting for.

You said it best here.

As long as... That is the part that would not happen.

China would covertly or overtly be involved. Which is dependent on what the US does.

Some how the thought that boots on the ground are not a big part of a war anymore has become a pseudo fact.
Fact is boots on the ground are still a big part of conflicts.
Look at Libya, it should have been so easy, why are there still issues floating around there. The UN ( US ) air power was an order of magnitude better, and it was not a walk in the park.

Without indiscriminate bombing to flatten the country ( read take out military and civilians the same ) it comes down to boots on the ground.
The South might be able to air transport them into the country, but once there, they have an Army that is 2x what they are to take out.
South Korea might be better at it than South Vietnam was, but the military trained and backed by the US always have a way of getting their teeth kicked in when it comes to those armies trained and backed by China.

The US & UN had better equipment than the North when we were there in the 50s, look how that turned out.