Rick Perry's Ducking Out

Old Sep 6, 2011 | 07:04 PM
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When he ran for governor, he promised to secure the Texas / mexico border as soon as he was elected. He totally reneged on the promise. He also got a new business tax approved that was supposed to relieve residential property tax payers of their crushing taxes. Not only are business paying taxes they didn’t have to pay prior to 2008, homeowners are paying more property tax."
I didn't see where this crock o crap came from but it's a blatant lie. Perry sent over 800 DPS officers along the Mexican border. You couldn't turn around on a ranch road without several DPS cars pulling you over asking who you were and why you were there. One major plus about that, most of the drivers still remember it and the driving around here is almost perfect. I can't say for the city folks but my taxes have actually gone down and what business taxes are they referring to? I've never heard of it and I live here.
Ya wanna bash Perry, there's a lot of things he's done that folks don't like. He cut funding of the schools but in reality, the schools were screwing off millions of dollars of taxpayer money. No student carries books anymore. The schools/taxpayers are furnishing them with IPads. No school is without air conditioning, Oscars, overhead projectors, everything is computerized, most have security camera systems that are wireless to a central office, etc. They are even wanting the swim coaches to have wireless headsets for the swimmers so the coaches can chat with them while they're swimming. You should see some of the schools. Millions are spent on architectural details so the superintendents have something real great to put on their resumes....at taxpayer expense.
Perry may not be the best candidate, I really don't know yet, but if someone is going to bash the guy, at least make it the truth. I don't care who you are but a liar is a liar and has zero credibilty. Some of the media I don't even bother to read- it's a waste of my time.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 09:16 PM
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The part I bolded is the part I'm taking issue with. I simply don't see any attempt to "sow the seeds".

I would expect Rep King and Sen DeMint to be disappointed. Please notice they did not blame Gov Perry for his decision. In fact, if you follow the link at the bottom of the one I posted, you will find this quote from Sen DeMint: "People have been killed and he needs to be back in the state,” DeMint said. ”A lot of people are coming to hear the governor first hand today so they’ll be disappointed.” (I bolded part of that quote for emphasis.) That hardly seems to be sowing seeds of dis-unity. It really sounds to me like Sen DeMint is backing Gov Perry's decision all the way!

I also take a bit of exception to your comment, "...alot of slow thinkers can easily draw the wrong conclusion and "read" things into the report." I don't really see a need for you to characterize me as a "slow thinker". It may be that I am, but derogatory personal attacks like these have no place in this forum. As I've said though, I have a very thick skin, so I will not retaliate. I'll just ask that you THINK before you post in the future.

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Jack, I'm sorry if you took my "slow thinkers" comment as an insult, it was not ment that way. My point I was so poorly trying to make was the effect the article could have. By slow thinkers I was refering to those who don't take the time to either research or think through what has been feed to them. Again my apologies.

As far as the second quote by DeMint, it was not included in the original piece. The fact that it clarifies his original comment and is not included says to me that there may be an attempt by the author to skew the facts just a smidge, very trashy journalism IMHO. Having seen the second quote I would have to soften my position on DeMint just a little. But you see how the omission of just one little fact twisted my take on him. Simular to how the article was crafted and caused you to use a less than accurate discription of the situation.

Polititions are slimeballs at best and so called journalists aren't much better, we need to all take what we see, hear, and read with a grain of salt and weigh it against reality.

Again Jack no insult intended, my take is that we are discussing this from the outside and both posing our theories (no matter how flawed they may be).

P.S. If i was going to insult some one I would do it straight on, I'm not sharp enough to be suave about it!
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 09:45 PM
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Jim, I didn't take the "slow thinker" remark personally at all. I knew what you were saying and again, it's a kind of trap we all fall into when we generalize. I responded the way I did to make a point, which you received very well, and I thank you for that.

I suspect, though we clearly have some differing opinions, if we were put in a room somewhere and told to come to a consensus, we'd do it without bloodshed.

Labnerd, you're doing a great job pointing out something that should be obvious to all of us (but isn't). Our "perceptions" of our Government officials get in the way of an objective measurement of their accomplishments. Some of us might seize on one small aspect that we don't like about someone in high office and it completely "colors" our opinion, often quite wrongly. We need to be more careful in our judgements, don't we?

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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
Jim, I didn't take the "slow thinker" remark personally at all. I knew what you were saying and again, it's a kind of trap we all fall into when we generalize. I responded the way I did to make a point, which you received very well, and I thank you for that.

I suspect, though we clearly have some differing opinions, if we were put in a room somewhere and told to come to a consensus, we'd do it without bloodshed.

Labnerd, you're doing a great job pointing out something that should be obvious to all of us (but isn't). Our "perceptions" of our Government officials get in the way of an objective measurement of their accomplishments. Some of us might seize on one small aspect that we don't like about someone in high office and it completely "colors" our opinion, often quite wrongly. We need to be more careful in our judgements, don't we?

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Ummmmm maybe

Just kidding. I like having these conversations-it exercises the brain.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 10:50 AM
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Jack, you stated that you would respect Perry more if he skipped the debate. The media is not going to allow him to skip it. They are playing it up as his biggest test. If he were a no-show, they would roast him for sure, call him chicken and other fine names.

This is just one article:
http://news.yahoo.com/debate-present...093000808.html

One article I read said that they expect his weaknesses to be exposed (if he shows).

I don't see that he has a choice but to be there.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 10:58 AM
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All he needs to do is brief his lieutenant governor who can mind the store while he's at the debate. I don't see what the big deal is, his presence is NOT required 24/7 during a disaster as long as someone competent is there and taking charge. Who is handling things while he is asleep? Being out of contact for a couple hours is a nonissue.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 11:01 AM
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All he needs to do is brief his lieutenant governor who can mind the store while he's at the debate. I don't see what the big deal is, his presence is NOT required 24/7 during a disaster as long as someone competent is there and taking charge. Who is handling things while he is asleep? Being out of contact for a couple hours is a nonissue.
I agree. As I stated before, way too much is made of top politicians "laying hands" on any disaster. If they do not have competent people in place to handle it, then that is their failure.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:57 PM
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What do they expect him to do? Go out there and get in the way of all the professional responders? If I were a firefighter working on a fire and the governor got in my way I'd probably turn the fire hose on him!

The MSM is simply looking for ways to discredit him.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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What do they expect him to do? Go out there and get in the way of all the professional responders? If I were a firefighter working on a fire and the governor got in my way I'd probably turn the fire hose on him!

The MSM is simply looking for ways to discredit him.
You mean like they did for Bush for not landing Air Force One after Katrina. Looking out the window of a low flying aircraft is not enough, the politician has to get in the way of the people doing the work. Otherwise he doesn't care enough...
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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You mean like they did for Bush for not landing Air Force One after Katrina. Looking out the window of a low flying aircraft is not enough, the politician has to get in the way of the people doing the work. Otherwise he doesn't care enough...
Yep, and while he's out there walking around, he has to have on a long sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up a couple of rounds to make it look as if he did something.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 02:33 PM
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Fair enough guys. I DID expect him to attend the debate, so it's no surprise to me. It's really his chance to look "Reaganesk", isn't it?

As you said, Jim, "He's a politician".

And I agree with the opinion that his presence in Texas at this time is likely more of a hindrance than a help. I know when President Bush came here after the Aspen fire, it was mostly a photo op. He didn't accomplish anything.

I won't cast any more aspersions at Gov Perry. Be interesting to see how he does in the debate.

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